Blond Hair and Blue Eyes "She Had to Die"

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Rudey
Preciousjeni and Jubilance. You also quoted jubilance earlier and said "And there you have it" so maybe you do too?

-Rudey

So...since I said I know what its like to be discriminated against I now know what the typical white lifestyle is.

Learn something knew everyday.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
So...since I said I know what its like to be discriminated against I now know what the typical white lifestyle is.

Learn something knew everyday.

I said maybe. Maybe you know. Maybe you don't?

-Rudey

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
But YOU can't dictate whether or not someone can understand. You have no say in the opinions of others. Its ok if you state that YOU couldn't understand, but you can't force your opinion on anyone else.

Again, you're missing the point.

It's completely OK for you to sympathize/empathize/understand the scenario/experience similar feelings or anger/play semantic games with any of the above. In fact, I think to deny this would be one of the worst acts you could imagine.

I'm saying that these feelings cannot be experienced in the opposite direction (majority to minority) with any degree of civility, however, and would be met with outrage (from both sides of the spectrum). Does this make sense, when broken down in this way?

My reason for bringing this point to the conversation is not pernicious, by the way. Instead, I feel that when the reciprocal relationship is met with outrage, feelings are forced under the radar, and it leads to more subtle prejudices and (ultimately) racism, which is both harder to identify and harder to attack. It's subterfuge, in a way, and to my mind it's far more pernicious than overt racism on a macro level.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

How many posters have heard about this story on the news? I know it was all over the local NYC news, but I wonder if it's national.

When I first heard about this, I immediately thought of Colin Ferguson shooting 24 people, 6 of whom died, on the LIRR.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
How many posters have heard about this story on the news? I know it was all over the local NYC news, but I wonder if it's national.

When I first heard about this, I immediately thought of Colin Ferguson shooting 24 people, 6 of whom died, on the LIRR.

Nope - I haven't heard of this except for the blip of an article posted. I even watch GMA every morning and haven't seen it on there. And probably won't now, especially with the G8 summit and the subway/bus bombings in London. Plus locally, we have a serial killer that's hogging all the news too.

He's just one more in a world full of psychos.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Some people see where he's coming from though so maybe they know.

-Rudey

I love how you just throw my name in stuff.

I didn't say I understood the "living the white lifestyle" stuff. I said I understand the frustration of living in a culture that treats you as a second class citizen.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by KSig RC
Again, you're missing the point.

It's completely OK for you to sympathize/empathize/understand the scenario/experience similar feelings or anger/play semantic games with any of the above. In fact, I think to deny this would be one of the worst acts you could imagine.

I'm saying that these feelings cannot be experienced in the opposite direction (majority to minority) with any degree of civility, however, and would be met with outrage (from both sides of the spectrum). Does this make sense, when broken down in this way?

My reason for bringing this point to the conversation is not pernicious, by the way. Instead, I feel that when the reciprocal relationship is met with outrage, feelings are forced under the radar, and it leads to more subtle prejudices and (ultimately) racism, which is both harder to identify and harder to attack. It's subterfuge, in a way, and to my mind it's far more pernicious than overt racism on a macro level.

I would disagree. I think that in the reverse situation, I wouldn't criticize someone for stating that they can relate to the underlying feelings of the person responsible. Unfortunately, I think a lot of times people must go along with the status quo, and any type of dissenting opinion is criticized or ridiculed.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Let's make a list of what a typical white lifestyle includes, because I seriously want to know.

I bet it involves driving a Subaru and carrying Vera Bradley. SHIT.

[AnonAlumna]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I bet it involves driving a Subaru and carrying Vera Bradley. SHIT.

See, I knew I was missing out on something....

[Honeykiss1974]

Let's not drag Vera into this.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I would disagree. I think that in the reverse situation, I wouldn't criticize someone for stating that they can relate to the underlying feelings of the person responsible. Unfortunately, I think a lot of times people must go along with the status quo, and any type of dissenting opinion is criticized or ridiculed.

I will go on a limb here and say that if one were to construct a situation in which a white individual became frustrated with his treatment by people of minority status, then committed a hate crime, and other white folks had experienced similar frustration, they would be eviscerated for voicing that kind of absurd connection to the hate crime.

Now, I realize that this would certainly be different from endemic issues concerning black Americans, and I realize that we'll never solve the "is there a uniquely African American experience?" debate on Greekchat. But honestly, read the above paragraph, and try to look at your statements objectively. If not sickeningly apologist, then it's definitely grandstanding on a tragedy. I'm sorry I can't relate to that better.

-RC
--Just saying. Not blaming. It's a "part of solution/part of problem" scenario.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by KSig RC
I will go on a limb here and say that if one were to construct a situation in which a white individual became frustrated with his treatment by people of minority status, then committed a hate crime, and other white folks had experienced similar frustration, they would be eviscerated for voicing that kind of absurd connection to the hate crime.

Now, I realize that this would certainly be different from endemic issues concerning black Americans, and I realize that we'll never solve the "is there a uniquely African American experience?" debate on Greekchat. But honestly, read the above paragraph, and try to look at your statements objectively. If not sickeningly apologist, then it's definitely grandstanding on a tragedy. I'm sorry I can't relate to that better.

-RC
--Just saying. Not blaming. It's a "part of solution/part of problem" scenario.

Well then we will just agree to disagree. I never said that I was apologizing for or justifying his actions. I said that I know what it feels like to be treated horribly because of my skin color. And I'm not going to apologize for relating my personal experiences to a situation just because you don't think its "PC".

The better discussion would be on how we get to a point where race is no longer an issue.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Well then we will just agree to disagree. I never said that I was apologizing for or justifying his actions. I said that I know what it feels like to be treated horribly because of my skin color. And I'm not going to apologize for relating my personal experiences to a situation just because you don't think its "PC".

The better discussion would be on how we get to a point where race is no longer an issue.

Emmett's killers had seen other women being whistled at and sympathized.

-Rudey

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I bet it involves driving a Subaru and carrying Vera Bradley. SHIT.

IKEA!

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Well then we will just agree to disagree. I never said that I was apologizing for or justifying his actions. I said that I know what it feels like to be treated horribly because of my skin color. And I'm not going to apologize for relating my personal experiences to a situation just because you don't think its "PC".

Again, I don't want you to apologize for your personal experiences. I just want everyone to understand where I'm coming from, which relates to your point below.

Originally posted by jubilance1922
The better discussion would be on how we get to a point where race is no longer an issue.

I agree. This, in fact, was the center of my point.