Extension criteria....

[Erik P Conard]

Maybe we oughta cut each other some slack, in all fairness...
Like...the old Union Triad has maintained a radically different
attitude towards expanison say, than, Delta Sigma Phi. In some
cases they have died rather than change, others have gone to
the co-ed route, much water over the bridge in post-secondary
education...hardly an elite thing these days...
And the less-selective, like TKE..have gone into the (heavens!)
teachers' colleges and extension and streetcar schools...
And even further, some former professional ones, like the boy
scout Alpha Phi Omega, have entered the social realm.
So, it is like comparing apples and oranges in many cases, and
in most, each is correct in their own way of thinkin'
Comments on this? We have come a long way, like I said a bit
ago, since Mark Hopkins and the Log...if some of you have ever
read educational history and can use this analogy.
The rank-and-file greek of today would hardly fit with the Beta
at old Indiana Asbury (now DePauw).
Please take no offense at this, it is simply that we all have grown
quite far apart, and we each love our own club....but we try to
hang in there together in a hostile world where many are not friendly towards us...ignorance, I say, but nonetheless there.

[PhiPsiRuss]

There is no way that I'm going to discuss extension criteria about host institution selection in a public forum, and I doubt that anyone else, who is currently involved in extension, will either.

[Senusret I]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
And even further, some former professional ones, like the boy
scout Alpha Phi Omega, have entered the social realm.

That's news to me. Thanks for the information!

<---- the eyeroll of sarcasm

[Diamond Delta]

Sphincter say what?

[Erik P Conard]

There is nothing magic about extension. I have been on the TKE extension committee since I was an undergraduate in 1956, and
have run surveys, projections, etc.
No need to be so secretive, we are all in the same game...if you will permit that description.
HOWEVER, this is not an edict or a command performance.
I have had a lot of experience in extension and started 17 chapters (or affiliated locals) in my time and have helped a good many other outfits with seminars and even referrals. But, to each
his own...your prerogative.
But you are dead wrong about others unwilling to discuss the topic of extension...we do it all the time.
In fact, we are working in conjunction with two nationals right now about returning to campi where we have dormant chapters.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
I have had a lot of experience in extension and started 17 chapters (or affiliated locals) in my time and have helped a good many other outfits with seminars and even referrals.

How many of those 17 are still active?

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
But you are dead wrong about others unwilling to discuss the topic of extension...we do it all the time.

You might want to work on your reading comprehension. I said that I wouldn't discuss this on a public forum. I'm well aware of how my fraternity cooperates with other fraternities for extension. It is done between staff members, and the communication is typically either by a phone call, or a private e-mail.

[Erik P Conard]

well, fellow greek, we shan't call upon you for clues as to where
to go...you have already told us that.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Senusret I
That's news to me. Thanks for the information!

<---- the eyeroll of sarcasm

Thanks, I was thinking the exact same thing.

If an Alpha Phi Omega chapter is participating in NIC or NPC formal rush, or has a house with its letters on it, or is selectively choosing who can pursue membership contrary to our principles, please let me know where so I can call their butts out, because that kind of activity is NOT sanctioned or condoned by the national fraternity.

[Erik P Conard]

l had gottten, obviously, the impression that Alpha Phi Omega was in the midst, at least on some campuses, of operating as a
social organization. I must have been wrong.
I do have a friend who was a proud member of APO at Luther College in Iowa; it was not co-ed then, and he told me they had
tried to operate as a social beings that Luther would not allow a
national group...like NIC or NPC...to form on their campus. Bob
told me a few years ago that the group had almost died but was
revived, as a co-ed. I guess I had filled in the rest. So, sorry if
I erred. Alpha Phi Omega had chapters at both KU and Emporia.
Several guys in our house, so-called shingle collectors, joined it
but to my knowledge did not much more than go to a meeting or
so, and I do not recall it being on the forefront of much, though it
was highly identified with the scouting movement. I was a very
active scout in my youth. But I did not have the money to spend
for the APO membership, tho did know of its existence. Times have changed, so I must admit now...I have no idea how A P O
fits in the total scheme of things. Sorry if I misjudged it all. I am
not sure how the sarcasm fits in, as I meant none myself.

[Tom Earp]

EC, as A Poud Member of APO, no, it is not going to turn into a Social Greek Organization as We Know of It.
I dont want to go into about Professional, Social, or Other Greek Organizations such as SAP.

There is a significant difference between Greek Organizatins as we know them.

It may become time when everyone figures that out.

There is a difference. Greek Socials will try to buy Houses if they can. Do certain things just as All Others try to do.

Such other Greek Organizations try to do other things.

It is not bad by any streatch of the imagination.

Greek Organizations can be compatiable, but not the same.

[33girl]

Actually Erik, I was being dead serious about reporting an APO chapter that is operating in an overly social manner to the national organization. I know that there are groups who try to "use" it that way to get around college prohibitions of one type or another and it irks me no end. That's not why APO was created or why it continues to exist.

[Glitter650]

I know the APO chapter at my school is VERY strict on its definition of social events and will not attend anything that is social.

[moe.ron]

What's wrong with teachers' college?

[aopinthesky]

Originally posted by moe.ron
What's wrong with teachers' college?

Must raise the same ire with EC that commuter schools do.

[texas*princess]

I don't see what the big deal is about with commuter campuses.

I actually go to a commuter campus, and while our campus may not be anything like A&M or UT or UGA, our campus is still great and offers a lot to students.

On a commuter campus you can choose to do nothing but go to school and work, or you can get involved - join the SGA, or a greek organization, or a club for your major, but those are the same choices that "non- commuter" school students make as well.

The Greek Life on my campus isn't overly HUGE with all 26 NPC groups and all the IFCs that exist, but it isn't small either. It's big enough to where people know about it and many people want to be a part of it. (which is completely different from the first school I attended which also happened to be a historical "commuter college" that had a teeny tiny greek system that most students didn't know about at the time)

College and your Greek experience is what you make of it. It doesn't matter what campus you are on.