Michelle Obama attacked for 'Not loving America'? What about McCain?

[DaemonSeid]

Republicans have hammered Michelle Obama for her remarks in February that she was proud of America "for the first time in my adult life." Tonight, however, Dan Abrams showed footage he uncovered of a Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company."

Abrams thinks McCain's comments could undermine the "right wing's steady attacks against Michelle Obama."

click link to see video

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108191.html

[DSTCHAOS]

Both Michelle Obama and McCain were being honest and their comments make complete sense.

I hope folks get over it and get back to whatever the real issue are. I don't know what the real issues are anymore but I wish the election was over already.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Both Michelle Obama and McCain were being honest and their comments make complete sense.

I hope folks get over it and get back to whatever the real issue are. I don't know what the real issues are anymore but I wish the election was over already.

I agree with you again! Oh wow.

Anyway, I think it is good that they both love their country, and I welcome Patriotism from all people, if it is genuine, no matter when in their life it came to them.

(and i think it is obvious that both candidates and their families are patriotic [in the true sense of the word] otherwise they wouldn't be bothered to go into politics [or stay with/around their loved one{s}] if they didn't)

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Both Michelle Obama and McCain were being honest and their comments make complete sense.

I hope folks get over it and get back to whatever the real issue are. I don't know what the real issues are anymore but I wish the election was over already.

Wow- this is about the most perfect post I have ever seen on GC. I want to add more but I cannot think of a thing to say that is not already covered.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You "gave context" because you explained the context in which the comment was made/may be applied.

But we both agree that context doesn't matter to us with these two comments. The comments were detailed enough that they made complete sense before I even read the backstory and explanations. And if these people weren't involved in this (God awful) election, no one would care.

Originally Posted by EE-BO

Wow- this is about the most perfect post I have ever seen on GC. I want to add more but I cannot think of a thing to say that is not already covered.

While I personally agree with the 3 or four posters involved in this mini-sub thread, there are others (including posters on GC and real world) who do not think that way.
Have you followed this thread:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=96692 ?

A gentleman in my gym said something tonight that hit matters on the head. (Too) Many people in the US now just get their news and information by way of sound bits.
And they form their POV's based off of those and nothing else.

And as that other thread shows, once that bit of rumor/gossip is out, there are people who will not either take the time to track it down or even believe evidence that show otherwise.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

While I personally agree with the 3 or four posters involved in this mini-sub thread, there are others (including posters on GC and real world) who do not think that way.
Have you followed this thread:
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showthread.php?t=96692 ?

A gentleman in my gym said something tonight that hit matters on the head. (Too) Many people in the US now just get their news and information by way of sound bits.
And they form their POV's based off of those and nothing else.

And as that other thread shows, once that bit of rumor/gossip is out, there are people who will not either take the time to track it down or even believe evidence that show otherwise.

So you want to go after McCain's comment? Go for it. I understand being upset about the reaction to Michelle Obama's remark, so if you want to go after McCain, just do it. You're obviously upset that McCain's comment didn't get the kind of criticism that Michelle Obama received. Go ahead and criticize McCain, instead of talking around the issue.

Some people don't see the big deal in either statements, and don't want to hold either against the candidates. If you want to hold the recent statement against McCain, and make a point about the treatment of Michelle Obama, go ahead.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Go for it.

just do it.

Go ahead

go ahead.

lol

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by jon1856

A gentleman in my gym said something tonight that hit matters on the head. (Too) Many people in the US now just get their news and information by way of sound bits. And they form their POV's based off of those and nothing else.

This is true- and I would argue that explains why so many pundits are talking about whether Michele or McCain are "real Americans" based on juicy tidbits taken out of context (and while I think Obama would be a DISASTER and McCain is an acceptable alternative- this whole thread is funny since the basic argument pits a Presidential candidate against the spouse of another Presidential candidate.)

In the long term, the issue you raise jon- in my opinion anyway- is laziness. We live in a prosperous nation where the citizenry have priorities that are far afield of our basic needs and protections. Americans are not interested in preserving their ability to eat- they are interested in preserving their ability to go shopping at the weekend.

In such an environment, it is very easy for parties to sway votes based on issues like abortion which should not even enter into the realm of governmental interference and also to play the game of "who is a real patriot" (i.e. who is a "real American").

Many ignorant people will fall for that game, and such is the price smart people pay for having to be of the same species as the morons.

I lunched last week with a longtime friend who is an Obama supporter and can make a compelling intellectual argument for supporting him over Hillary or McCain.

Talking to him gave me some hope for the enduring survival of America (no matter who wins in November) since it was the first time I had run into someone who could make a good case for voting for Obama.

But in the meantime, those who hang on media reports will do what they will- and such is life.

Political games based on out-of-context soundbytes suck- but they are driven by demand and not supply. I think it is safe to say that in this era where the political divide in this country is so evenly matched, that meaningless nuances of who said what and when have far more meaning than they should. History bears this out. This is not the first time the nation has been so evenly divided philosophically. That is very comforting when considering that in the near term we might end up with a Commander in Chief who I think would fail miserably.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

So you want to go after McCain's comment? Go for it. I understand being upset about the reaction to Michelle Obama's remark, so if you want to go after McCain, just do it. You're obviously upset that McCain's comment didn't get the kind of criticism that Michelle Obama received. Go ahead and criticize McCain, instead of talking around the issue.

Some people don't see the big deal in either statements, and don't want to hold either against the candidates. If you want to hold the recent statement against McCain, and make a point about the treatment of Michelle Obama, go ahead.

KSigKid-
As I said, I DO understand why Both of them said what they said and "how" they said it. MSNBC's piece covered it as did Mrs. Bush.
However, "talking-heads", pundits, and "political operatives" turn matters around.
And some seem to have the need to go after a candidate's wife just to "find" or have points to pick on.

I am already tired of the "whispered"/"rumors" campaign that already started.
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/nys-blo...20090409990005
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/21/ny...rssnyt&emc=rss

[srmom]

Oh for God's sake, both sides are ridiculous!

I HATE POLITICS! (and politicians, and politicos) they all stink!

When are we going to start worrying about the real issues? Huh?

[srmom]

DST, we cross posted,

AMEM to your post!!

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by srmom

DST, we cross posted,

AMEM to your post!!

You spoke the truth!

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Republicans have hammered Michelle Obama for her remarks in February that she was proud of America "for the first time in my adult life." Tonight, however, Dan Abrams showed footage he uncovered of a Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company."

Abrams thinks McCain's comments could undermine the "right wing's steady attacks against Michelle Obama."

click link to see video

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108191.html

Rather interesting to see how the "right-wing" commentators tried to defend themselves.
On one hand context matters, on the other it does not.
And I agree with the above posters that both parties statements, taken as a whole and in context, were being honest and their comments make complete sense.

However, this is just the start of "silly season" and as one of the comments in link said, people will just believe what they want to and
pass it onto others who may think the same way.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Republicans have hammered Michelle Obama for her remarks in February that she was proud of America "for the first time in my adult life." Tonight, however, Dan Abrams showed footage he uncovered of a Fox News interview with John McCain on March 13, 2008, in which McCain said, "I didn't really love America until I was deprived of her company."

I totally agree with McCain's statement. It's not until you LEAVE America that you realize how awesome it is. Heck, I feel that way getting back to the States after a vacation, so after 5 years of being a POW in North Vietnam? Dude can say whatever he wants.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I totally agree with McCain's statement. It's not until you LEAVE America that you realize how awesome it is. Heck, I feel that way getting back to the States after a vacation, so after 5 years of being a POW in North Vietnam? Dude can say whatever he wants.

I agree with you to a point.
You just gave context to his statement.
Now, take it out and see how it "reads".
Which is what this thread is about-how Michelles' comments were taken out of context and used.
Even Mrs. Bush understands that.
Take the time, about 13 minutes, to watch the MSNBC show.