"Shame on you, Barack Obama"

[preciousjeni]

CINCINNATI -- An angry Hillary Rodham Clinton scolded Democratic presidential rival Barack Obama today for campaign mailings that she described as false and shameful attacks on her record.

Clinton's rhetorical blast, the most bellicose of her campaign, came 10 days before Ohio and Texas primaries that could doom her candidacy if she fails to stop her 11-contest losing streak.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,4798090.story

I don't like this a bit. While what Obama has said is "true," I believe he's put a negative spin on it. This is exactly what I was hoping he would not do. Then again, Clinton has no business getting upset about it when she has been dirty throughout the entire campaign.

[texas*princess]

I say "Go McCain".

I'm over the Dems acting like children.

Yea, Obama is inspiring when he talks, but I don't really think he has any kind of experience to back any of it up as a President. Maybe in a few years... And Hillary... I don't know about her...she just seems sketchy.

I'm not even a Republican either.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

I say "Go McCain".

I'm over the Dems acting like children.

Yea, Obama is inspiring when he talks, but I don't really think he has any kind of experience to back any of it up as a President. Maybe in a few years... And Hillary... I don't know about her...she just seems sketchy.

I'm not even a Republican either.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=83575&page=13

[texas*princess]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=83575&page=13

He has been in the Junior Senate for 2 years. Seriously? In a time like we are in right now (we've got a "war" in Iraq... we still have people looking for Osama... the economy is a mess and we are several trillion $$'s in national debt) I would prefer someone who has more than 2 year's worth of experience... but that's just me.

And I do find it hilarious that when any news channel talks to people outside of Obama rallies, they are all psyched up but when asked, none of them can tell reporters why they support him or any of this accomplishments. They must really just like the words "change" and "hope" a lot.

He is very well spoken and does a good job of getting people excited, but it takes waaaaay more than that to run a country. But that's just IMHO. If you think differently, rock on with your bad self

[DGTess]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

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And I do find it hilarious that when any news channel talks to people outside of Obama rallies, they are all psyched up but when asked, none of them can tell reporters why they support him or any of this accomplishments. They must really just like the words "change" and "hope" a lot.
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Well, his endorsers sure know </sarcasm>

Washington Post, 2/20/08
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"He's definitely confusing to everyone who really hates America for hating Muslims, because [with] a name like Obama and [his being] a black man, they're probably going to go, 'Oh, wait a minute -- what?' . . . He definitely has convinced people that he stands for change and for hope, and I can't wait to see what he stands for."
-- Susan Sarandon, announcing her support of Barack Obama on "Tavis Smiley" last week, now that favorite John Edwards has dropped out. (Reminder: Barack Obama is not Muslim.)

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

He has been in the Junior Senate for 2 years. Seriously? In a time like we are in right now (we've got a "war" in Iraq... we still have people looking for Osama... the economy is a mess and we are several trillion $$'s in national debt) I would prefer someone who has more than 2 year's worth of experience... but that's just me.

Um, I think he's been in the regular Senate, it's not like there's a junior Senate equivalent to junior Panhell.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

Um, I think he's been in the regular Senate, it's not like there's a junior Senate equivalent to junior Panhell.

But couldn't we write a great SNL skit based on this premise?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

He has been in the Junior Senate for 2 years. Seriously? In a time like we are in right now (we've got a "war" in Iraq... we still have people looking for Osama... the economy is a mess and we are several trillion $$'s in national debt) I would prefer someone who has more than 2 year's worth of experience... but that's just me.

And I do find it hilarious that when any news channel talks to people outside of Obama rallies, they are all psyched up but when asked, none of them can tell reporters why they support him or any of this accomplishments. They must really just like the words "change" and "hope" a lot.

He is very well spoken and does a good job of getting people excited, but it takes waaaaay more than that to run a country. But that's just IMHO. If you think differently, rock on with your bad self

He has about as much experience as Abe Lincoln. He's been a community organizer, a civil rights lawyer, a state legislator and a US Senator. He's not 23 and fresh out of college.

I know which one of his supporters you're referring to, but if you watched the debate he laid out his accomplishments, you can see them on public websites, and see this site: http://www.usaspending.gov/. Obama was one of the two major sponsors of the legislation to create a public, searchable database of where our money goes. If you don't know his accomplishments it's because you haven't listened for them.

And finally, I don't think anyone's voting because they think that "getting people excited" is enough to run the country, but that in addition to his experience and skills he has the ability to excite people and inspire them.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

He has about as much experience as Abe Lincoln. He's been a community organizer, a civil rights lawyer, a state legislator and a US Senator. He's not 23 and fresh out of college.

But he's been a US Senator for a relatively short period of time, and I don't usually think that community organizer, civil rights lawyer, state legislator, 1/2 a Senate term, President of the US is the usual progression. And isn't Lincoln kind of the exception, rather than the rule? Aren't most serious candidates either long term US Senators or Representatives or Governors, in which position we assume they have experience with the executive branch?

On the other hand, Hillary's own experience isn't all that much deeper if we judge her strictly for positions she was elected to or selected for on her own merits. I only mean experience that we'd think for the Presidency; I think she's an accomplished lawyer in her own right and I'm not trying to diminish that.

(I say this knowing I would have voted for Fred Thompson and he's have the same "experience" weakness using this standard.)

[tnxbutterfly]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

I say "Go McCain".

I'm over the Dems acting like children.

Yea, Obama is inspiring when he talks, but I don't really think he has any kind of experience to back any of it up as a President. Maybe in a few years... And Hillary... I don't know about her...she just seems sketchy.

I'm not even a Republican either.

I was watching the debate the other night and Hilary just looked very smuged to me. That really just bugged the crap out of me. And I really haven't caught the Obama fever yet (turning in my black card right now)

GO McCain. I'm not Republican either

[Ten/Four]

Originally Posted by tnxbutterfly

I was watching the debate the other night and Hilary just looked very smuged to me. That really just bugged the crap out of me. And I really haven't caught the Obama fever yet (turning in my black card right now)

I have the same issue with Clinton. I know the campaign changes daily, but during the debates she acts all nice and then the next day comes with another charge. This has been happening ever since her "crying I found my voice" moment in New Hampshire. If she has that 35 years of experience she claims, shouldn't she already have a voice?

I'm just tired of it on both sides.

[pinkies up]

Hillary reminds me of a big crybaby. She claims that Obama won't be able to handle all of the pressures of being a president and she can. By the looks of her recent bipolar behaviors, (I'm honored to be sitting next to Barak Obama/Shame on Barak Obama) she'd crack under pressure.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,4798090.story

I don't like this a bit. While what Obama has said is "true," I believe he's put a negative spin on it. This is exactly what I was hoping he would not do. Then again, Clinton has no business getting upset about it when she has been dirty throughout the entire campaign.

Wait so it's "true" but . . .

Knock it off.

[IlovemyAKA]

It is very possible that her campaign knew about the mailings before the conference where she voiced her outrage. I like how he always seemed to take the high road. However, based on the article, he didn't seem to attack her character, only her healthcare plan. Along with her previous attacks, her "change you can Xerox" comment during the debate was calloused, and not well-received. It may be a little late for her to play the victim.

[Drolefille]

Here's my take: The mailings are a month old. I read a discussion of how they are very similar (perhaps intentionally) to images used against the idea when Hillary Clinton promoted her health care during Bill's presidency. This "moral outrage" comes off as a mother scolding a child... and in a way that makes them mom look bad. Maybe it's my age but she came off overly upset, not justifiably so. The sort you respond to with an .

Oh yes, and btw:

Gee... attacking on healthcare is wrong? (Also, please note that the last quote on there is actually from HER as reported on CBSNews.com. Not from a reporter, she's quoting herself.)

I see this as staged outrage and nothing else and she doesn't adequately respond to the "attacks" in the mailings that oh-so-completely offend her.

ETA: Video of Hillary's OMG
Video of Obama's response

More fun links: What if we're nuked on day one!
The NAFTA mailer from Obama
An image purportedly from a mailer