JENA 6

Ilaria Ame · #1 09-19-2007, 11:02 PM

So, i searched and the only threads about this are in specific forums. i wanted to see if anyone will be attending the rally. roll call?

12dn94dst · #2 09-19-2007, 11:42 PM

not attending, but will be in all black tomorrow.

Ilaria Ame · #3 09-20-2007, 12:19 AM

same here. w00t.

Little32 · #4 09-20-2007, 08:35 AM

I will be at rally, but not in Jena. I too will be wearing black today.

Kevin · #5 09-20-2007, 10:13 AM

Why defend these thugs?

I guess if you say something stupid and racist, you deserve to be put in the hospital? Is that it? These kids resorted to violence -- that's illegal. They're now in jail or out on bail awaiting trial. What is the great societal wrong here? I just don't see it.

AlethiaSi · #6 09-20-2007, 10:16 AM

^^^oh dear. (little32 you beat me to it, i feel the same way)
Not in Jena but wearing black, as are many of my friends.

madmax · #7 09-20-2007, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Why defend these thugs?

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Because they are black. Free OJ.

Little32 · #8 09-20-2007, 10:16 AM

Why didn't the thugs who pelted a young black man with beer bottles before beating him, in the same town, receive the same charges? Why wasn't the thug who pointed a shot gun at three young black men, in the same town, charged with anything?

Whatever. I'm not even going to have this conversation.

Kevin · #9 09-20-2007, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Little32

Why didn't the thugs who pelted a young black man with beer bottles before beating him, in the same town, receive the same charges? Why wasn't the thug who pointed a shot gun at three young black men, in the same town, charged with anything?

Whatever. I'm not even going to have this conversation.

Because that gentlemen was trying to force his way into a party he wasn't invited to. There are two sides to that story. It wasn't just one black man either, it was a "group" according to the media sources I've read.

Heck.. in Oklahoma, under the "stand your ground" regime, he could have been lawfully shot.

At any rate, that's a totally separate incident. These six are accused of an entirely separate and unrelated crime which occurred two days later.

12dn94dst · #10 09-20-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Little32

Why didn't the thugs who pelted a young black man with beer bottles before beating him, in the same town, receive the same charges? Why wasn't the thug who pointed a shot gun at three young black men, in the same town, charged with anything?

Whatever. I'm not even going to have this conversation.

we're >>>>>here<<<<<

Little32 · #11 09-20-2007, 10:33 AM

OK, if you want to see it that way fine. There are a lot of folks who see this as the confluence of a lot of other issues and not just some "thugs" out looking for a fight.

I guess the fact that most involved have clean records with the exception of this incident does not change your opinion that they are thugs. I know lots of people who got into fights in middle school and high school that have gotten into fights, some that were not always fair, but I would not label those people thugs. But I guess you don't know anyone like that.

Kevin · #12 09-20-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Little32

OK, if you want to see it that way fine. There are a lot of folks who see this as the confluence of a lot of other issues and not just some "thugs" out looking for a fight.

I guess the fact that most involved have clean records with the exception of this incident does not change your opinion that they are thugs. I know lots of people who got into fights in middle school and high school that have gotten into fights, some that were not always fair, but I would not label those people thugs. But I guess you don't know anyone like that.

You're right. I don't know any group of six or more people who beat the hell out of a kid for saying something offensive. That sounds like something a thug would do. I don't know these kids either. I'm assuming none of you do. Maybe they aren't thugs -- but they sure as hell acted like it that day.

They could have killed the kid they attacked. They clearly wanted to do some damage (multiple blows to the head) after he was knocked out. They deserve justice and punishment. Society cannot condone that sort of behavior.

DaemonSeid · #13 09-20-2007, 10:45 AM

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You're right. I don't know any group of six or more people who beat the hell out of a kid for saying something offensive. That sounds like something a thug would do. I don't know these kids either. I'm assuming none of you do. Maybe they aren't thugs -- but they sure as hell acted like it that day.

They could have killed the kid they attacked. They clearly wanted to do some damage (multiple blows to the head) after he was knocked out. They deserve justice and punishment. Society cannot condone that sort of behavior.

1. Amazing...I have been running a thread on this for over a month and hardly anyone responds...interesting....

2. Kevin....you really need to take those rose colored glasses off...funny how a guy who clamms he got the snot kicked out of him by six people MANAGED to go to a party that night...and then 6 TEENS get charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER?? WHAT??

We just skip past assault and graduate to murder? WOW...and then you want to charge these SAME teens as ADULTS...wow

3. I guess nooses under a tree don't mean much huh?

Hey umm...kevin...define 'thug' in the context that you are using in please...?

Kevin · #14 09-20-2007, 11:00 AM

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1. Amazing...I have been running a thread on this for over a month and hardly anyone responds...interesting....

Not really, I generally don't pay attention to the random "injustice du jour" claimed by Al Sharpton, et al. It's just that now that we have this media circus, I feel compelled to comment on how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.

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2. Kevin....you really need to take those rose colored glasses off...funny how a guy who clamms he got the snot kicked out of him by six people MANAGED to go to a party that night...and then 6 TEENS get charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER?? WHAT??

I don't know about the party. I haven't read about that anywhere. He did testify as to this, however:

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Barker said he had a badly swollen face and temporary blindness in one eye that lasted three weeks. He also said he still suffers recurring headaches since the beating but, under cross examination, acknowledged that medical tests have found no cause.

He joined fellow juniors that same night at the school's annual class ring ceremony. "I waited 11 years to go to it. I wasn't going to let that get in my way" he said. But, he said, pain drove him to leave the event early, after getting his ring.[/[quote]

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6719374

Apparently, you have to minimize Barker's injuries so that you can justify your views here. He was knocked unconscious by someone who attacked him from behind, then kicked repeatedly in the head and face by six thugs (now called "defendants"). The SOB had it coming to him, is that it?

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We just skip past assault and graduate to murder? WOW...and then you want to charge these SAME teens as ADULTS...wow

Attempted murder in the second degree... yes, kicking an unconscious person repeatedly in the head could justify that sort of a charge. It's clear that the DA was trying to send a message with these charges -- that as a society, we find this behavior unacceptable.

Message sent.

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3. I guess nooses under a tree don't mean much huh?

They're completely irrelevant.

Unless you actually think that someone hanging a noose on a tree justifies a beating two days later.

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Hey umm...kevin...define 'thug' in the context that you are using in please...?

Someone who uses violence to solve his problems. Someone who shows no respect for society and its laws. You know.. someone who hits someone from behind and beats the heck out of them while they're unconscious.

DaemonSeid · #15 09-20-2007, 11:08 AM

[QUOTE=Kevin;1523302]Not really, I generally don't pay attention to the random "injustice du jour" claimed by Al Sharpton, et al. It's just that now that we have this media circus, I feel compelled to comment on how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.

I don't know about the party. I haven't read about that anywhere. He did testify as to this, however:

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Barker said he had a badly swollen face and temporary blindness in one eye that lasted three weeks. He also said he still suffers recurring headaches since the beating but, under cross examination, acknowledged that medical tests have found no cause.

He joined fellow juniors that same night at the school's annual class ring ceremony. "I waited 11 years to go to it. I wasn't going to let that get in my way" he said. But, he said, pain drove him to leave the event early, after getting his ring.[/

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http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp?S=6719374

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Apparently, you have to minimize Barker's injuries so that you can justify your views here. He was knocked unconscious by someone who attacked him from behind, then kicked repeatedly in the head and face by six thugs (now called "defendants"). The SOB had it coming to him, is that it?

Attempted murder in the second degree... yes, kicking an unconscious person repeatedly in the head could justify that sort of a charge. It's clear that the DA was trying to send a message with these charges -- that as a society, we find this behavior unacceptable.

Message sent.

They're completely irrelevant.

Unless you actually think that someone hanging a noose on a tree justifies a beating two days later.

Someone who uses violence to solve his problems. Someone who shows no respect for society and its laws. You know.. someone who hits someone from behind and beats the heck out of them while they're unconscious.

Kevin...you are a real peice of work.....see and your PROBLEM you don't read and you hear what you WANT to hear...this is MORE than just sound bytes from Rev. Al...there are SOOO SOO SOOOO MANY MORE involved that the ONLY name you can pull out is Rev Al and Jessie.

This is more than them....

It's MLK III, Mos Def, the NOI and so many more BUT IT'SNOT JUST ABOUT THE CELEBS....

It's about wanting fair justice and you need to read and understand the whole story before you cats this off as a 'media circus'

And you didn't know about the party? Tsk tsk...you can't possibly know about this incident and not know one of the most important aspects of this was the seveve beating he got at the party.

Come on...11 years for a Ring Dance you got beaten nearly to death? And you still go...then that means he wasn't that hurt.....riiight....

And this is a media circus you say?

Tyring to sentence a boy to 80 years and the closest thing he had to a weapon was a SHOE and you expect people to say "it's justice"?

Right ok....

I guess no one decided to charge the young man who pulled out a shotgun on some others from Jena with possesions of a firearm or attempted murder...and please tell me you didn't hear that.