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Old 09-19-2007, 07:14 PM
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Chapter at Historically African American Campuses

With the NBC News covering the efforts of some historically African American colleges and universities actively recruiting caucasians and hispanics....

I got to wondering....why not offer a different fraternity experience to those same schools and seek expansion opportunities there?

I know that the experience is different in those fraternities that are predominately African American. And I not feel that those fraternities are any less or any more than our own beloved Beta Theta Pi.

I just wonder if there would any interest at our national office and at any of the historically African American colleges and universities in having a chapter of Beta Theta Pi on thier campuses.

I know I would gladly support them.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:05 PM
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I am not with the national office, but as an involved alumnus I don't see it as an issue at all. I think it should be handled like any other expansion- look at a given campus and the prospects of getting a viable chapter going, and then do it or don't do it on the same criteria that would apply anywhere else.

In the almost 10 years since I was active in my chapter, the racial makeup of a great many fraternities has changed quite a bit. As long as chapters are bringing in quality men- then whatever changes is fine with me.

Generally speaking, I think fraternities are more social reflections than social drivers. They are not a place where you find a whole lot of barrier-breaking initiatives, but at the same time at any given moment they will reflect societal trends.

Greek Life in general is actually changing in a big way as the collegiate population becomes more diverse. In fact, at Texas the Greek population remains in the 10-11% range only because there has been a dramatic growth in race-specific or more inclusive GLOs.

The traditional stereotypical all-white or near all-white fraternities here are very few these days- and their numbers are dwindling. They will always be with us, but they are no longer the only option.

I am not expressing an opinion on that point- each GLO has its own membership selection process which is their business. But I am happy to see that Beta is not turning down great candidates on arbitrary measures.
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Old 09-21-2007, 09:51 AM
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I am not with the national office, but as an involved alumnus I don't see it as an issue at all.
Do you mean issue as in not currently being discussed?

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I think it should be handled like any other expansion- look at a given campus and the prospects of getting a viable chapter going, and then do it or don't do it on the same criteria that would apply anywhere else.
I agree. I was wondering out loud if this has been actually and seriously considered, discussed, researched etc......

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In the almost 10 years since I was active in my chapter, the racial makeup of a great many fraternities has changed quite a bit. As long as chapters are bringing in quality men- then whatever changes is fine with me.
I have seen this as well. I am glad that there are racially mixed chapters. It helps those not exposed to other races due to whetever reasons to really get to know some one that is different. My parents purposely put me in a school system that was 80% African American and 19% caucasian and 1% all others.

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Generally speaking, I think fraternities are more social reflections than social drivers. They are not a place where you find a whole lot of barrier-breaking initiatives, but at the same time at any given moment they will reflect societal trends.
And why is this? Why isn't Beta Theta Pi a social driver on the campuses at which we have chapters? Shouldn't we be?

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Greek Life in general is actually changing in a big way as the collegiate population becomes more diverse. In fact, at Texas the Greek population remains in the 10-11% range only because there has been a dramatic growth in race-specific or more inclusive GLOs.
Sad that there is more diviness going on.

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The traditional stereotypical all-white or near all-white fraternities here are very few these days- and their numbers are dwindling. They will always be with us, but they are no longer the only option.
Yes.

I started this thread because the news item got me thinking. I hope there is more discussion here.
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Old 09-22-2007, 10:20 PM
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Do you mean issue as in not currently being discussed?
No- to clarify I mean there is not a problem. But I also do not feel it merits any special discussion- please see my next post responding to one of your other questions for my reasoning.
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Old 09-24-2007, 01:53 PM
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No- to clarify I mean there is not a problem. But I also do not feel it merits any special discussion- please see my next post responding to one of your other questions for my reasoning.
OK. However, I think I would disagree with you and think there should be some discussion by the "group in charge of expansion."

While I do not want the discussion to specifically be "let's go to a historically African-American campus," I would hope the conversation would be more like "this idea has some merit. Let us explore those opportunities that may have not been previously explored."
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Old 09-24-2007, 04:35 PM
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OK. However, I think I would disagree with you and think there should be some discussion by the "group in charge of expansion."

While I do not want the discussion to specifically be "let's go to a historically African-American campus," I would hope the conversation would be more like "this idea has some merit. Let us explore those opportunities that may have not been previously explored."
Ah, I see what you mean- and yes that does make good sense.

While the recruitment process and funds allocation should be the same as elsewhere, there would have to be some consideration and discussion about entering into a new area for all IFC organizations- specifically to recruit at schools where IFC organizations have never existed to the degree at more traditional colleges and universities.

I am all for expanding as much as possible. At the campuses I follow, IFC fraternity numbers are down- very sharply at Texas for a start. The overall Greek population at UT is about the same as when I was there, but that is represented by a sharp drop in IFC membership and a strong growth in membership in other Greek Councils.

If we want to succeed in moving in new directions such as our increased emphasis on academics- then I think we have to expand anywhere we can as existing chapters take their time adjusting to these new measures.

Being extra selective about membership is good, but being excessively selective about the schools we colonize is not.

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Old 09-22-2007, 10:47 PM
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And why is this? Why isn't Beta Theta Pi a social driver on the campuses at which we have chapters? Shouldn't we be?
This question gets to a larger issue- that of rush.

Rush is sacred. When it comes to the actual selection of individual members, the active members of a given chapter have the absolute decisionmaking power- and I have yet to see the advisor or General Fraternity officer who would dare cross that line. And may God go with them if they do (I have seen alumni offer "commentary" on new pledges that was out of bounds and the aftermath it brought on.)

Opinions are sometimes sought of course- but really more in terms of looking at logistical factors- not inherent aspects of individuals. And usually I have found these are financially related- specifically how payment plans could be arranged or dues reductions could be done in a case of true hardship for someone who we really want to join or reaffiliate.

There is no way, in my strong opinion, that chapters could be encouraged to diversify their membership on any grounds (be it racial, religious or otherwise) without creating a level of intrusion that would be intolerable and would completely disregard the judgement of the active members. The only way to something like that and have it work would be to impose arbitrary standards (for example grades) that would guarantee a person can get in- with no regard for the individual feelings of members.

Fraternity chapters reflect their campuses and the decisions of individual members. Diversity exists in our overall composition- but at the chapter level it is easy to miss that in the process of missing the forest for the trees. Reaffiliations to other chapters are never automatic and don't always happen precisely because chapters can be wildly different in their membership and internal management.

To me the right answer is to, whenever asked or just in one's actions and presence, make it clear to the chapter that advisors and alumni respect their choices of rush candidates regardless of whether that candidate would have been acceptable back when that alumnus was active. This validates a chapter's desire to act on their own judgement- and that is a critical aspect of the maturation that fraternities offer their members.

It is not just about race either- finances and lifestyle play a role too when it comes to recruitment. Back when I was active, Beta was twice as expensive at my school as it is now because we had the largest fraternity house on campus. There are a lot of Betas since that house was sold who have been great brothers but would never have been able to join when the dues alone were nearly $5,000 per year.

On the other hand, there are many guys from my era who would probably not be offered a bid from the current chapter if they were rushing today. Back in my time there was a lot more partying and most of us were business and history majors who spent our weekends hunting and fishing. The chapter today is quite different- mostly engineers and far more scholastically focused.

This does not mean that either era, or any era, of my chapter's existence was better than another.

I just state all this to support my case that member recruitment has to be in the hands of the active chapter since even the most involved alumnus cannot possibly be in tune with all the nuances of the day that affect rush- and therefore cannot be relied upon to provide overall beneficial guidance on who to pledge and on what grounds.

All IMHO.
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Old 09-24-2007, 02:00 PM
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There is no way, in my strong opinion, that chapters could be encouraged to diversify their membership on any grounds (be it racial, religious or otherwise) without creating a level of intrusion that would be intolerable and would completely disregard the judgement of the active members.
I absolutely agree. And I did not mean to imply that I felt Beta Theta Pi was/is a non-inclusive fraternity. In fact, it is very evident that our chapters do reach across racial, religous, ethnic and economic boundries.

I was going more towards just approaching a historically African-American collge or univeristy to see if they would welcome Beta Theta Pi on campus.

Whether or not it would be successful is another issue.
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