DePauw Rush Results

[depauwgreek]

Rush results from the #1 Greek Scene in the nation, depending on whose ratings you're going by:

Men (Quota = 30, some houses had lower quotas due to violations)
Alpha Tau Omega 16
Beta Theta Pi 21
Delta Chi 5
Delta Tau Delta 25
Delta Upsilon 4
Phi Delta Theta 25
Phi Gamma Delta 27
Phi Kappa Psi 23
Sigma Alpha Epsilon 22
Sigma Chi 23
Sigma Nu 1

This was the first year that guys rush had a quota at DePauw.

Women (Quota = 36)
Alpha Chi Omega 34
Alpha Phi 33
Delta Gamma 34
Delta Zeta 3
Kappa Alpha Theta 35
Kappa Kappa Gamma 33
Pi Beta Phi 34

Some of you may notice that the Delta Zeta number for the women sticks out like a sore thumb. On bid night, Delta Zeta gave out 11 bids but only 6 women chose to accept them. Since then, 3 more ladies have quit Delta Zeta.

The following articles from DePauw's campus newspaper, The DePauw, talk about what's going on with Delta Zeta.


(The articles are in chronological order starting at the earliest)

DZ 'reorganizes', loses 29 women

Silence is deafening (Editorial)

DZ controversy sparks debates

Letter to the Editor: Delta Zeta betrays ideals of sisterhood

[irishpipes]

So, no sororities made quota? Are you sure it was 36?

[AChiOhSnap]

That whole DZ situation seems like an unholy mess. I feel so bad for everyone involved.

[33girl]

Now, keep in mind what I'm going to say isn't an indictment in any way of DZ - I've heard of practically every NPC group doing similar "membership reviews" and things like what happened at DePauw.

First off, choosing the women who want to "commit to recruitment" often means the women who want to commit to the type of member, and the number of members, the national organization wants. Not necessarily what the chapter wants or even what fits with the school. When someone comes in and basically says they want you to change from (random musical
example) Beyonce to Korn, for lack of a better analogy, you might just decide to run out the door because they have no clue what you are about.

But here's what kind of kills me about the whole deal. It seems like there were a lot of rumors going around the Greek community about the chapter because they were small and that they weren't supported as much as they could have been, but then the campus gets all up in arms that they weren't treated well by their national. Maybe if that support would have been there previously, the chapter wouldn't have gotten to the point that it had. I guess it's a case of I can say someone in my family is an asshat, but if anyone else says they're an asshat, I'll beat them up.

[OleMissGlitter]

It does seem like a big mess. I hope something good will come out of it.

[irishpipes]

DePauw is ridiculously Greek, but even at that, it only has 2,350 students. Even if many of them are Greek (typically 80%+ of freshmen women rush, and 65%+ pledge), it is tough to support as many sororities as they have. There is another sorority there besides DZ that is significantly smaller than the others (although apparently had a good rush.) I think it hard to compete at a small school with very large chapters, 4 of them founded before 1900, 2 of them Alphas. I hope DZ works it out - that is an old chapter for them with a beautiful house.

[PeppyGPhiB]

It looks like the "starting fresh" approach DZ nationals took did not help the chapter during recruitment. Why did they decide to kick those women out just before formal recruitment? I assume DZ will be doing a massive interview/membership drive now?

"Image" keeps getting brought up. Were the decisions made on personal, physical image, or the collective image, as in reputation, of the chapter? I do think it's horrible for a GLO to kick members out of a chapter because they decide they aren't pretty enough. That's just mean, and is cruel on a very basic, human level. DZ is a strong organization, but can you really blame women for choosing not to join during rush if this is the new image DZ is presenting?

ETA: for the record, I would feel the same way if it was my org. that did this

[depauwgreek]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

So, no sororities made quota? Are you sure it was 36?

Some sororities did make quota, the numbers listed just reflect that a few dropped out from one house or the other becaue it wasn't their first choice or something along those lines.

[PGD-GRAD]

It says a great deal about the DePauw Greek system that they are sympathetic and trying to help the displaced DZ girls find options. Not all systems pull together like that. The two editorials indicate that there is a great deal of understanding on that campus--from both fraternity and sorority members. This should be our norm, not the "I got mine" atmosphere that sometimes prevails.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by depauwgreek

Men (Quota = 30, some houses had lower quotas due to violations)
Alpha Tau Omega 16
Beta Theta Pi 21
Delta Chi 5
Delta Tau Delta 25
Delta Upsilon 4
Phi Delta Theta 25
Phi Gamma Delta 27
Phi Kappa Psi 23
Sigma Alpha Epsilon 22
Sigma Chi 23
Sigma Nu 1

This was the first year that guys rush had a quota at DePauw.

How was quota set? And how was IFC rush structured?

[depauwgreek]

Originally Posted by TSteven

How was quota set? And how was IFC rush structured?

Quota was set by taking 15% of the number of guys who entered rush.

For IFC rush, on Monday and Wednesday the guys visited all 11 houses first round.

For second round on Firday night guys could go up to five houses, some guys suicided a house at this point and only went to one.

3rd round was Saturday night where guys could go to 1 or 2 houses.

After 1st and 2nd round, houses would have a time frame to make their cuts and then guys would pick from lists reflecting whether or not they had been cut from anywhere.

After 3rd round, guys would pref their top house before houses made any decision about who they a-listed or b-listed. Houses made their decisions at the same time the guys were making their decisions, there was time after decisions were over that lists were compared and it was determined what house each guy would be in.

For the record, no guys were cross-cut after 3rd round - everybody that showed up to 3rd round got into a house.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by depauwgreek

Quota was set by taking 15% of the number of guys who entered rush.

For IFC rush, on Monday and Wednesday the guys visited all 11 houses first round.

For second round on Firday night guys could go up to five houses, some guys suicided a house at this point and only went to one.

3rd round was Saturday night where guys could go to 1 or 2 houses.

After 1st and 2nd round, houses would have a time frame to make their cuts and then guys would pick from lists reflecting whether or not they had been cut from anywhere.

After 3rd round, guys would pref their top house before houses made any decision about who they a-listed or b-listed. Houses made their decisions at the same time the guys were making their decisions, there was time after decisions were over that lists were compared and it was determined what house each guy would be in.

For the record, no guys were cross-cut after 3rd round - everybody that showed up to 3rd round got into a house.

Thanks for the info. This is one of the few, and rare, campuses where I have heard of a quota used along with a somewhat structured IFC rush. So please bare with me as I have a few follow up questions.

First off. Since some chapters had lower quotas due to violations, how was quota set for those chapters? And was this quota made known prior to rush to both the chapters and the rushees?

If I'm following this, the 15% represents the percentage a chapter could pledge from the original number of guys. So as an example, if there were 100 guys who entered rush, then any one chapter could only bid up to 15 men. Is this correct?

Also if you were to add the percentage for each chapter, did they total (equal) 100%? Granted I don't know what the lower percentage are for those chapters with violations, but the numbers don't add up. 15% times 11 chapters equals 165%. In other words, if there was 100 men in rush, it seems like six chapters could get their 15% (15 members) which would be a total of 90 out of 100 men rushing. Then a seventh chapter could get the remaining ten members to equal the full 100 men rushing. This would leave the remaining four chapters with zero pledges.

As for the second and third rounds, did each chapter have a series of set parties, or just "open house" type parties? For example, if the rushee received and was interested in ABC, was his invite for a specific time only? Or could the rushee come by "whenever" and/or stay for as long as he wanted?

Also, did everybody that showed up to third rounds get a bid because of some sort of guaranteed placement or did it just happened to work out that way?

And finally, do the IFCs continue to rush the rest of the year?

Thanks.

[depauwgreek]

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First off. Since some chapters had lower quotas due to violations, how was quota set for those chapters? And was this quota made known prior to rush to both the chapters and the rushees?
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Quota was set arbitrarily by the Director of Greek Affairs and the Greek Affairs Office; houses could appeal if they wanted to. Houses found out what quota was right before rush started as guys had up until the day before to sign up for rush. Rushees were not explicitly told what quota was; some probably found out from Greek members anyway.

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If I'm following this, the 15% represents the percentage a chapter could pledge from the original number of guys. So as an example, if there were 100 guys who entered rush, then any one chapter could only bid up to 15 men. Is this correct?
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Yes. Men's rush worked out this year so that EXACTLY 200 men registered for rush; that's why quota was 30.

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Also if you were to add the percentage for each chapter, did they total (equal) 100%? Granted I don't know what the lower percentage are for those chapters with violations, but the numbers don't add up. 15% times 11 chapters equals 165%. In other words, if there was 100 men in rush, it seems like six chapters could get their 15% (15 members) which would be a total of 90 out of 100 men rushing. Then a seventh chapter could get the remaining ten members to equal the full 100 men rushing. This would leave the remaining four chapters with zero pledges.
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This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others.

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As for the second and third rounds, did each chapter have a series of set parties, or just "open house" type parties? For example, if the rushee received and was interested in ABC, was his invite for a specific time only? Or could the rushee come by "whenever" and/or stay for as long as he wanted?
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Rushees were given a specific schedule of house what they were to be at and what time they were to be there, DePauw's rush is ran through the ICS system which has had its bugs at DePauw. So, yes, the invite was for a specific time only as houses had a say in how large their 2nd and 3rd rounds could be. Example: if a house had 60 guys coming back for 2nd round, they could decide if they wanted to have 5 rounds of 12 or 3 rounds of 20; most fraternities choose to have near 20 for 2nd and 3rd rounds at DePauw. There was an enforced time limit of 45 minutes for 2nd round and an hour for 3rd round; a group of guys would all enter the house at the same time and then leave the house at the same time after the round was over. Houses could rack up fines depending on how much over the regulated time they kept rushees on property.

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Also, did everybody that showed up to third rounds get a bid because of some sort of guaranteed placement or did it just happened to work out that way?
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This was purely luck; in past years there have been guys who went to houses third round that did not get a bid from any house at all. My freshman year there was 2, and last year there was 1 (I'm a junior now.) Most times, if houses really don't want somebody in their house they will have cut them by 2nd round.

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And finally, do the IFCs continue to rush the rest of the year?
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In the Spring, houses have a few days after the end of formal rush in which they can extend open bids, but after that there's no more joining through the end of the school year. In the Fall semester a few houses usually give out open bids to guys who for some reason or another couldn't/didn't join their house during the Spring; freshmen are not allowed to receive open bids in the fall.

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Thanks.
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You're welcome. At times it's really easy to think that every school does rush the same but this is obviously not the case.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by depauwgreek

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First off. Since some chapters had lower quotas due to violations, how was quota set for those chapters? And was this quota made known prior to rush to both the chapters and the rushees?
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Quota was set arbitrarily by the Director of Greek Affairs and the Greek Affairs Office; houses could appeal if they wanted to. Houses found out what quota was right before rush started as guys had up until the day before to sign up for rush. Rushees were not explicitly told what quota was; some probably found out from Greek members anyway.

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If I'm following this, the 15% represents the percentage a chapter could pledge from the original number of guys. So as an example, if there were 100 guys who entered rush, then any one chapter could only bid up to 15 men. Is this correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes. Men's rush worked out this year so that EXACTLY 200 men registered for rush; that's why quota was 30.

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Also if you were to add the percentage for each chapter, did they total (equal) 100%? Granted I don't know what the lower percentage are for those chapters with violations, but the numbers don't add up. 15% times 11 chapters equals 165%. In other words, if there was 100 men in rush, it seems like six chapters could get their 15% (15 members) which would be a total of 90 out of 100 men rushing. Then a seventh chapter could get the remaining ten members to equal the full 100 men rushing. This would leave the remaining four chapters with zero pledges.
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This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others.

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As for the second and third rounds, did each chapter have a series of set parties, or just "open house" type parties? For example, if the rushee received and was interested in ABC, was his invite for a specific time only? Or could the rushee come by "whenever" and/or stay for as long as he wanted?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Rushees were given a specific schedule of house what they were to be at and what time they were to be there, DePauw's rush is ran through the ICS system which has had its bugs at DePauw. So, yes, the invite was for a specific time only as houses had a say in how large their 2nd and 3rd rounds could be. Example: if a house had 60 guys coming back for 2nd round, they could decide if they wanted to have 5 rounds of 12 or 3 rounds of 20; most fraternities choose to have near 20 for 2nd and 3rd rounds at DePauw. There was an enforced time limit of 45 minutes for 2nd round and an hour for 3rd round; a group of guys would all enter the house at the same time and then leave the house at the same time after the round was over. Houses could rack up fines depending on how much over the regulated time they kept rushees on property.

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Also, did everybody that showed up to third rounds get a bid because of some sort of guaranteed placement or did it just happened to work out that way?
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This was purely luck; in past years there have been guys who went to houses third round that did not get a bid from any house at all. My freshman year there was 2, and last year there was 1 (I'm a junior now.) Most times, if houses really don't want somebody in their house they will have cut them by 2nd round.

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And finally, do the IFCs continue to rush the rest of the year?
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In the Spring, houses have a few days after the end of formal rush in which they can extend open bids, but after that there's no more joining through the end of the school year. In the Fall semester a few houses usually give out open bids to guys who for some reason or another couldn't/didn't join their house during the Spring; freshmen are not allowed to receive open bids in the fall.

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Thanks.
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You're welcome. At times it's really easy to think that every school does rush the same but this is obviously not the case.

Thank you for your reply and I really appreciate you taking the time to explain this. If you would be so kind as to continue to indulge me, a few more questions popped into my head about y'all's IFC rush.

1.) Is quota the number of bids a chapter may extend, or the number of men they may accept? For example, could ABC only extend 30 bids (15%) and that's it? Or could ABC extend 30 bids, and if five men declined their bid, the chapter then bid (or in NPC terms "snap bid") five more - up to the 30? Is this what you meant by "open bids" extended after formal?

2.) May a rushee received more than one bid?

3.) "This year's quota percentage was figured with the previous knowledge that some houses had racked up violations that prevented them from reaching quota and also that some houses make/made it known that they aren't necessarily willing to take in that many guys, since some of the fraternities at DePauw cut more heavily than others."

I am still fuzzy how the chapters with violations determine quota. Is it any of the following scenarios?

Scenario A: Every chapter has the same quota set at 15%.

As I understand this, with only 200 men going through rush, if every chapter (11) had a quota set at 15%, then it was statistically impossible for every chapter to make quota. So basically, those chapters with violations didn't take 15% due to the violations. (i.e. reputation) For example, say ABC is on social probation for a year. In theory, they could still make quota of 15%, yet, few rushees were willing to pledge ABC because of the probation.

Scenario B: There are at least two separate quotas. The "max" is set at 15% for some chapters with a lower percentage for other chapters.

Say six chapters were allowed to take the "max" of 15% (30 pledges) while five chapters (the ones with the violations) could only take 2% (4 pledges).

6 chapters at 30 pledges = 180
5 chapters at 4 pledges = 20
Total = 200

So in theory, every chapter could make quota because the actual percentage (quota) was different for the chapters.

Scenario C: Neither.

[Depauw]

Guys didn't have a quota at depauw and girls quota was 32.. just to clarify