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Old 10-09-2003, 02:27 PM
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Angry Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC

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Catholic Churches Say Condoms Don't Stop AIDS - BBC
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LONDON (Reuters) - The lives of Roman Catholics in some of the countries worst hit by HIV (news - web sites)/AIDS (news - web sites) are being put at even greater risk by advice from their churches that the use of condoms does not prevent transmission of the disease, according to a British television program.

If condoms cannot be absolutely guaranteed to block sperm, they stand even less chance of stopping the much smaller virus, the churches' argument runs.

The Roman Catholic church opposes any form of artificial contraception -- particularly condoms, which it says promote promiscuity.

But the traditional opposition is now being reinforced by arguments over their efficacy.

"The moral argument against the use of condoms is being superseded by a clinical argument which is flawed," said Steve Bradshaw, reporter on the BBC Panorama program "Sex and the Holy City" that will be aired in Britain on Sunday night.

"The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon," Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, president of the Vatican (news - web sites)'s Pontifical Council for the Family, told the program.

"The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom."

He said that just as health authorities warned about dangers like tobacco, so they had an obligation to issue similar warnings about condoms.

The Archbishop of Nairobi, Raphael Ndingi Nzeki told the program: "AIDS...has grown so fast because of the availability of condoms."

While in Luak near Lake Victoria, Gordon Wambi, director of an AIDS testing center, said he had been prevented from distributing condoms because of church opposition.

Bradshaw told Reuters the program team did not go out looking for the story, but stumbled across it during research.

"We heard the same line so many times from different people in different places that we decided to approach the Vatican," he said.

The World Health Organization (news - web sites), guardian watchdog of global wellbeing, rejected the Vatican view.

"These incorrect statements about condoms and HIV are dangerous when we are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people, and currently affects at least 42 million," the WHO told the program.

It conceded condoms could break or be damaged and permit passage of semen, but said they reduced the risk of infection by 90 percent and were certainly secure enough to prevent passage of the virus if not torn.

Panorama said scientific research had found intact condoms were impermeable to particles as small as sexually transmitted infection pathogens -- a view rejected by Trujillo.

"They are wrong about that...this is an easily recognizable fact," he told the program.

From Nicaragua to Kenya and the Philippines, the Panorama team found the same tale from the Catholic church -- that condoms can kill.

No official comment from the Vatican was immediately available on Thursday.

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My $.02: I'm sorry, and no offense to Catholics, but this is just plain irresponsible on the Vatican's part. I am absolutely shocked that they would spread this misconception in areas of the world that are hardest hit by this horrible disease and that also do not have access to correct information from other sources. I realize that they are against birth control, and that abstinence is the only way to completely prevent the spread of the disease, but to spread complete lies about how people can protect themselves if they do have sex is just wrong.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:34 PM
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Which is why I am now a plain old Christian despite being raised Catholic all my life. Props to them for trying to rewrite parts of the bible to fit their needs.

I should go to Purgatory next Spring Break, work off some of the sins.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:36 PM
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And they wonder why so many people my age are "lapsed." I wonder how they'd feel about Student Health Services on our campus handing out condoms.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:38 PM
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That's appalling.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:50 PM
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Yeah, I get closer and closer to turning in my RC card every day with crap like this being tossed down from the Vatican on the Mount! GEEZ!
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:50 PM
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Blah.

You don't want AIDS? Remain abstinant.

It's not 100% false what the Vatican said. AIDS can still be contracted through sex, regardless of whether or not you use a condom.

Condoms aren't a silver bullet or invincibility shield. Besides, the Catholic Church isn't going to come out and support something that encourages people to live their lives in sin.

PS. If you're not Catholic and are not worried about getting into Heaven, then why concern yourself with what they say?

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Old 10-09-2003, 02:51 PM
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Blah.

You don't want AIDS? Remain abstinant.

It's not 100% false what the Vatican said. AIDS can still be contracted through sex, regardless of whether or not you use a condom.

Condoms aren't a silver bullet or invincibility shield. Besides, the Catholic Church isn't going to come out and support something that encourages people to live their lives in sin.

PS. If you're not Catholic and are not worried about getting into Heaven, then why concern yourself with what they say? I'm pretty sure lots of Hindu's think i'm going to hell cuz i eat a lot of beef, but the last laugh's gonna be on them.

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Amen brother Kitso.
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Old 10-09-2003, 02:58 PM
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PS. If you're not Catholic and are not worried about getting into Heaven, then why concern yourself with what they say?
Because they are deliberately putting a lot of peoples lives (both Catholic and non-Catholic) in danger to push their own agenda.
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Old 10-09-2003, 03:03 PM
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Because they are deliberately putting a lot of peoples lives (both Catholic and non-Catholic) in danger to push their own agenda.
Ok, how are they putting their lives in danger?

What they are saying is that condoms are not 100% safe. They are not saying, Ok condoms aren't safe, so go bareback, they are saying, condoms aren't safe, so you should practice abstinence.

And they're only putting Catholic lives at stake. Non-Catholics could probably give a flying flip what the pope says.

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Old 10-09-2003, 03:05 PM
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Bad, bad condoms. Things like this make me glad I am not a practitioner of the religion of my ancestors. That said, anyone who thinks a condom is always sure protection against AIDS is...

I want that Bible Thumper Barbie!
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Old 10-09-2003, 03:09 PM
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Bad, bad condoms. Things like this make me glad I am not a practitioner of the religion of my ancestors. That said, anyone who thinks a condom is always sure protection against AIDS is...

I want that Bible Thumper Barbie!
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Old 10-09-2003, 03:14 PM
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LOL...
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Old 10-09-2003, 03:17 PM
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NOTHING except for abstinence is 100% effective in spreading AIDS, but it is extremely effective in preventing the spread of the disease...The Roman Catholic church is against any form of artifical birth control, yes, but this statement seems to be saying that they are against people saving their lives!!!!!!!!!!!

Idiots....
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Old 10-09-2003, 03:21 PM
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NOTHING except for abstinence is 100% effective in spreading AIDS, but it is extremely effective in preventing the spread of the disease...The Roman Catholic church is against any form of artifical birth control, yes, but this statement seems to be saying that they are against people saving their lives!!!!!!!!!!!

Idiots....
No.

They are warning people that they are risking their lives more by living an immoral life and continuing to practice casual sex.

Once again, they did not say, condoms are bad, so don't use them, they are saying, the use of condoms is not a safe alternative to an abstinent life.

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Old 10-09-2003, 03:24 PM
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No.

They are warning people that they are risking their lives more by living an immoral life and continuing to practice casual sex.

Once again, they did not say, condoms are bad, so don't use them, they are saying, the use of condoms is not a safe alternative to an abstinent life.

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Kitso,

Stop with the common sense, you're going to mess people up.
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