Another Reason to THINK Before You Send an E-mail

LaneSig · #1 03-20-2011, 12:39 PM

The Alpha Gamma Delta chapter at Arkansas State in under an interim suspension, due to a member sending an e-mail concerning an upcoming social. In the e-mail, she tells them about bringing their real or fake ids to the party, and how to get around the bartender carding them if their id is fake.

http://www.asuherald.com/mobile/news...-ids-1.2515816

A copy of the e-mail is on a link at the end of the article.

33girl · #2 03-20-2011, 12:46 PM

Here's my question. Are there really college students out there so clueless that they need to be TOLD to bring fakes if they have them???

knight_shadow · #3 03-20-2011, 01:42 PM

^^^ Co-sign

AGD1978 · #4 03-20-2011, 01:53 PM

Facepalm.

Alumiyum · #5 03-20-2011, 08:29 PM

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Facepalm.

^Ditto. There's dumb and then there's DUMB.

Always AlphaGam · #6 03-21-2011, 12:22 AM

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Facepalm.

Ditto, sister.

I got this via e-mail Google Alert a few days ago. I hate to say it, but it should really be against the law to be stupid.

SWTXBelle · #7 03-20-2011, 10:08 PM

I like this quote from the Jonesboro police chief -

"I can't prove at this point that they actually did it," Yates said. "It's one thing to send out a foolish e-mail indicating that the rules are going to be relaxed. It's another thing for it to actually be that way...It's not against the law to be stupid. If it was we'd have more people in jail than we do now."

Smile_Awhile · #8 03-21-2011, 10:07 AM

Oh no...

I'm aquatinted with the most recent past president of the chapter. My heart aches for her right now- mostly because I know she never would be stupid enough to let this e-mail be sent if she had seen it.

AGD1978 · #9 03-21-2011, 10:55 AM

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Oh no...

I'm aquatinted with the most recent past president of the chapter. My heart aches for her right now- mostly because I know she never would be stupid enough to let this e-mail be sent if she had seen it.

I feel for her too, and for the entire chapter. I'm sure, in hindsight, they all (I hope!) realize what a colossal error this was. Some days you have to be really, really fast to catch stupid before it gets away. I hope things work out for them and they're able to strengthen the chapter as a result.

A greater concern for me: how did this sort of thinking ever happen? Is it a product of the twitterverse or something? Granted, I'm old, and certainly no innocent, but back in the day we'd never have broadcast something like this. Which isn't to say we didn't think it. Or do it

. But we knew it was illegal and would reflect badly on the Fraternity and our Greek community, so we laid low. When did flagrant, evidently blissfully ignorant law-breaking become acceptable? Did they even realize the consequences of their actions? And I'm not just referring to this chapter, or all Greeks, or any specific group. I've worked in Public Safety a long time, and the number of young people who admit to illegal drug and alcohol use, and act surprised when punishment seems imminent, astonishes me. Did no one teach them to distinguish the difference between right and wrong, legal or illegal? Or do they know but not care, or think it doesn't apply to them?

Baffled.

Kevin · #10 03-21-2011, 01:10 PM

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Did no one teach them to distinguish the difference between right and wrong, legal or illegal? Or do they know but not care, or think it doesn't apply to them?

Baffled.

Are you really saying you're baffled that college kids drink? Or just that they'll readily admit to it?

Do you view the 21-to-drink rules as being more malum in se or malum prohibitum?

33girl · #11 03-21-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AGD1978

A greater concern for me: how did this sort of thinking ever happen? Is it a product of the twitterverse or something? Granted, I'm old, and certainly no innocent, but back in the day we'd never have broadcast something like this. Which isn't to say we didn't think it. Or do it

. But we knew it was illegal and would reflect badly on the Fraternity and our Greek community, so we laid low. When did flagrant, evidently blissfully ignorant law-breaking become acceptable? Did they even realize the consequences of their actions? And I'm not just referring to this chapter, or all Greeks, or any specific group. I've worked in Public Safety a long time, and the number of young people who admit to illegal drug and alcohol use, and act surprised when punishment seems imminent, astonishes me. Did no one teach them to distinguish the difference between right and wrong, legal or illegal? Or do they know but not care, or think it doesn't apply to them?

Baffled.

I don't think it's any more "flagrant" than anything we did back then. We just knew to keep our damn mouths shut. This is the generation that it's been said over and over shares more than ever with their parents - I honestly think it's a product of that. Their home training is lacking. If you've come home drunk or JBF to your mom and she greeted you with a "hi honey! let's make popcorn!" why on earth would you think that your actions are going to have any consequences anywhere else?

Drolefille · #12 03-21-2011, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Are you really saying you're baffled that college kids drink? Or just that they'll readily admit to it?

Do you view the 21-to-drink rules as being more malum in se or malum prohibitum?

I think lawyers who use latin words among non-lawyers are trying to show off.

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I feel for her too, and for the entire chapter. I'm sure, in hindsight, they all (I hope!) realize what a colossal error this was. Some days you have to be really, really fast to catch stupid before it gets away. I hope things work out for them and they're able to strengthen the chapter as a result.

A greater concern for me: how did this sort of thinking ever happen? Is it a product of the twitterverse or something? Granted, I'm old, and certainly no innocent, but back in the day we'd never have broadcast something like this. Which isn't to say we didn't think it. Or do it

. But we knew it was illegal and would reflect badly on the Fraternity and our Greek community, so we laid low. When did flagrant, evidently blissfully ignorant law-breaking become acceptable? Did they even realize the consequences of their actions? And I'm not just referring to this chapter, or all Greeks, or any specific group. I've worked in Public Safety a long time, and the number of young people who admit to illegal drug and alcohol use, and act surprised when punishment seems imminent, astonishes me. Did no one teach them to distinguish the difference between right and wrong, legal or illegal? Or do they know but not care, or think it doesn't apply to them?

Baffled.

This was one person at one chapter. I suspect even in your day, one person at one chapter did something stupid and get caught. And kids have been drinking/using drugs underage since there was an age limit/since drugs became illegal.

I always see "kids these days" and I'm pretty sure that "kids these days" are just about the same as "kids in those days"

33girl · #13 03-21-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

This was one person at one chapter. I suspect even in your day, one person at one chapter did something stupid and get caught. And kids have been drinking/using drugs underage since there was an age limit/since drugs became illegal.

I always see "kids these days" and I'm pretty sure that "kids these days" are just about the same as "kids in those days"

You completely missed the point. It's not about drinking, it's about being too clueless to know you shouldn't shout it from the rooftops. And it most emphatically is NOT just "one person at one chapter."

Drolefille · #14 03-21-2011, 01:44 PM

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You completely missed the point. It's not about drinking, it's about being too clueless to know you shouldn't shout it from the rooftops. And it most emphatically is NOT just "one person at one chapter."

The sending of the email was one person from one chapter. That was, in this case, the shouting from the rooftops. I maintain that someone, 10, 20, 30 or more years ago, probably got in trouble for something similar, it just wasn't an email.

The drinking and drugging and whatever, as I said, is not new and is not somehow more blatant than 10, 20, or 30 years ago. People have had fake IDs, underage parties and such since the dawn of minimum age laws, and I doubt that they were ALL more subtle.

Point is, in 1981, someone got a group in trouble for underage drinking at a party because they were stupid enough to talk/brag about it in public. 'Kids these days' aren't worse, they just have different ways to get caught being stupid.

Kevin · #15 03-21-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

I think lawyers who use latin words among non-lawyers are trying to show off.

I figured she'd understand as she's in law enforcement, and hell, can it be considered to be lawyertalk if Jeff Bridges' character in True Grit waxed eloquently on the law using those terms?

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I always see "kids these days" and I'm pretty sure that "kids these days" are just about the same as "kids in those days"

True. Trouble is, that our national offices are trapped between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

Create a safe place for illegal drinking? Then when something goes on [and it will] complicity of the HQ is easily proved, even though common sense would seem to dictate that for the members, this would be the ideal approach.

Pretend it never happens and close chapters when they are dumb enough to get caught? Then when something goes wrong [and it will], at least you have plausible deniability. This is obviously the worst approach if the safety of collegians is paramount, but it's the approach most organizations take.