States that don't have chapters

[ato_lambdaguy]

Only 9 states don't have chapters. California only has six. We need more chapters in the Pacific and in states like Arizona.

We have two here in Colorado. I believe there was once four.

Currently at:
Colorado State -Fort Collins, CO
School of Mines -Golden, CO

I believe there once was chapters at University of Colorado - Boulder, CO (campus doesn't recognized greek life) and one in Denver somewhere.

[LucyKKG]

Originally Posted by thebigghost

We have two here in Colorado. I believe there was once four.

Currently at:
Colorado State -Fort Collins, CO
School of Mines -Golden, CO

I believe there once was chapters at University of Colorado - Boulder, CO (campus doesn't recognized greek life) and one in Denver somewhere.

Pardon the crash, but Boulder definitely recognizes Greek life and has quite a large Greek community. I don't know anything about ATO @ CU, but you really shouldn't make huge assumptions like that.

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by LucyKKG

Pardon the crash, but Boulder definitely recognizes Greek life and has quite a large Greek community. I don't know anything about ATO @ CU, but you really shouldn't make huge assumptions like that.

While thebigghost is not entirely correct, Boulder actually does not recognize its IFC Fraternities because they refused to sign a university agreement.

http://www.colorado.edu/greeks/office/community.html

[TriDLove]

Originally Posted by LucyKKG

Pardon the crash, but Boulder definitely recognizes Greek life and has quite a large Greek community. I don't know anything about ATO @ CU, but you really shouldn't make huge assumptions like that.

Thank you!

Originally Posted by Gusteau

While thebigghost is not entirely correct, Boulder actually does not recognize its IFC Fraternities because they refused to sign a university agreement.

http://www.colorado.edu/greeks/office/community.html

Exactly. Our school isn't affiliated with IFC or any of the Fraternities, but is definitely a part of the Sororities. Our greek system is larger than most people think it is...

[LucyKKG]

Oh, insert foot in mouth! Sorry, I stand corrected.

[dnall]

I don't know how many "pacific" chapters you've visited of any fraternity, but they are just not the same. Greek life in a lot of places in those regions is not strong. Many of those chapters don't care much about the ritual. I would prefer not to expand strongly in those directions. Not when there is so much other fertile territory elsewhere. Especially in places we've had chapters before.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by dnall

I don't know how many "pacific" chapters you've visited of any fraternity, but they are just not the same. Greek life in a lot of places in those regions is not strong. Many of those chapters don't care much about the ritual. I would prefer not to expand strongly in those directions. Not when there is so much other fertile territory elsewhere. Especially in places we've had chapters before.

Please speak for your fraternity only.

[dnall]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Please speak for your fraternity only.

This is in the ATO section of the forum, so... what's the issue?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by dnall

This is in the ATO section of the forum, so... what's the issue?

This is also a public forum, meaning all threads are visible to everyone.

Unless you are a member of other organizations and have experienced their rituals, you cannot say that "west coast chapters of any fraternity" don't take things seriously.

[dnall]

Greek life in the west sucks. It's a different thing completely. Unless you've spent some time around it in the south or on the east cost and to a lesser extent some places in the central US, you really don't understand what I'm saying.

In any case, this is an ATO asking about expansion in a geographic area where most locations are very weak. Nationals will try to keep things geographically balanced to some degree, but ultimately it's a business. You want big strong stable chapters with higher percentages of alumni that stay involved, preferably from schools where they have a better chance at doing well in life.

Why would I support going to a school with flat to declining recruiting numbers that support average chapters of 30 guys? Especially when I can go a dozen other places that will jump quickly to 70-90 guys and have strong regional alumni support.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by dnall

I don't know how many "pacific" chapters you've visited of any fraternity, but they are just not the same.

Please explain how the bold pertains only to ATO.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Please explain how the bold pertains only to ATO.

jinx, buy me a coke.

[dnall]

I fully understand any new post from any sub-forum will show on the front page as a new post. I fully understand anyone can see or post in any thread. I know the posts here are not private. I also know they are in a sub-forum specifically about ATO. Anything I post here is by definition by and for ATO. There's nothing saying someone from another org should not post here, but if you read info here the natural assumption should be that it is NOT about your organization.

This thread is talking about why we (ATO) are apparently lacking in our expansion efforts on the west coast. I'm not attempting to be politically correct. I am honestly expressing feelings of a lot of people and leaders within ATO. If Kappa, DChi, ODPhi and whomever else have SEC quality chapters in California, then good for them. That's not my business or my problem. OUR assessment of the strength of Greek life and potential success of individual chapters within that region will dictate how hard we want to go at that region. We do try to maintain geographic balance, for our own reasons, but we won't do so at the cost of bad decisions.

I appreciate some of you with long experience on GC. I know I've only been here a short time. Still, I've been involved with fraternities all over the country for nearly 20 years. I have a great deal of experience in some specific areas and more general knowledge in others. I think I have quite a bit to contribute to serious discussion of legitimate issues. While I fully intend to be respectful in that discourse, I'm not a person to mince words and mislead people to massage personal feelings.

We've all been greek for at least a little while. We should all have a thick skin by now. If I unintentionally disrespect you or your organization directly, then by all means I would expect you to square me up by PM & I would apologize. But if we're going to hang on every little word trying to find fault and insult rather than become better informed, then that's a waste everyone's time.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by dnall

Anything I post here is by definition by and for ATO.

Not if you say "any fraternity" and talk about Greek life in general. I'm really not seeing why this seems to be such a hard concept for you to grasp.

If Kappa, DChi, ODPhi and whomever else have SEC quality chapters in California, then good for them.

So the SEC is the only gauge of quality? That's a rather impoverished view, it seems to me. But whatever you think works for you.

But if we're going to hang on every little word trying to find fault and insult rather than become better informed, then that's a waste everyone's time.

That's a two-way street you know. People are reading what you actually said and assuming you meant what you actually said.