Do you think your organization's risk management policies go overboard?

[Kevin]

Are your organization's risk management policies overboard or overbroad?

[AlphaFrog]

No stringing for Bigs because the pledges having to go up & down & through the house unwinding yarn could be hazing. Please.
(Although we can thank the DU whose Big strung out the window and through the basketball hoop for that campus policy.)

[Drolefille]

Our chapter was very sensible about it.. we've done unwinding yarn and such. The only real annoyance was the fun scavenger hunts we did (where everyone participated) they became "everyone goes and takes pictures of different things and we all meet at Ted Drewes" events instead.

[adpiucf]

ADPi considers requiring anything of the new members outside of the approved new member education plans/all-chapter requirements to be hazing. So unless the entire chapter is invited to participate or it is an all-Greek Panhellenic sponsored event like New Member 101, it could be seen as hazing according to our view.

[raymondcartoun]

Can you really be too careful about risk management and rules? If an incident happens that does violate a policy, its bad enough. But at least disciplinary action can be taken to save the reputation of other members and chapters. THe reality is having rules in place to protect members' and the overall organization's safety and reputation does not interfere with the ability to have a good time. Bonds between members can still be just as strong.

[Sailboat Sis]

How about no pictures that even insinuate drinking on Facebook. No styrofoam cups, no Solo cups, anything. Regardless of whether or not you're in letters or over 21.

Also, we are no longer allowed to share function costs with other sororities or fraternities... i.e. no mixers. Even a "date party" with XYZ is pushing it apparently.

[AlwaysSAI]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

ADPi considers requiring anything of the new members outside of the approved new member education plans/all-chapter requirements to be hazing. So unless the entire chapter is invited to participate or it is an all-Greek Panhellenic sponsored event like New Member 101, it could be seen as hazing according to our view.

That's SAIs policy all the way. We've had some trouble with it. You know, there used to be requirements of pledges that were not hazing, but helping the MIT to get integrated into the chapter. Like interviewing sisters-nope, no more. Technically, we don't even have a big/lil program. Each pledge is assigned a sister to help her during pledging, but technically it's not a big, oh and technically, I don't have a G-big or a GG-big either.

I think it's getting a little extreme. Like, I don't even feel like I know hardly any of the girls that came in during the spring. But, I can understand why those rules are in place--no matter how un-fun it makes their MIT period.

Phi Sigma Pi is a whole different animal in itself. We have hazing policies, but there are also things for us to finish during pledging that is outlined in our national constitution as part of the process. Our biggest thing is that, as a brother we are not allowed to drink, smell, hold alcohol in our hands--anything--if an initiate is around. Even if they are drinking, we can't.

[DSTCHAOS]

No.

It is my organization's responsibility to keep over 900 chapters and over 200K members in check. They are doing what they need to do to account for every contingency that they can account for beforehand.

[macallan25]

Yeah, SAE at Oklahoma almost got royally screwed in '05 over some pictures.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Yeah, SAE at Oklahoma almost got royally screwed in '05 over some pictures.

WOW, I am actually sure They Got Screwed as they showed pictures of being stupid and in a R M position that they should not have been in!

SAE is not pure as the driven snow! To many reports that come in about screw ups in RM!

Realize the problem and try to deal with it.

Grow up, SAE is not a Snow White Fraternity!

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

WOW, I am actually sure They Got Screwed as they showed pictures of being stupid and in a R M position that they should not have been in!

SAE is not pure as the driven snow! To many reports that come in about screw ups in RM!

Realize the problem and try to deal with it.

Grow up, SAE is not a Snow White Fraternity!

So you know what happened? You know the situation? You know the illegalities that took place on the part of the person that turned them in? Also, I don't go to Oklahoma dumbass. Thanks though.

You are nothing short of an idiot, drunken buffoon. Spare me your self-righteous garbage.

[DGTess]

The ones I've read all treat college students as children.

My philosophy. Treat them as adults. Expect them to act as adults. Set out the consequences for NOT acting as adults, and follow through.

[TechSigmaNu]

Well I know of the risk reduction our policy holds and it is a pretty scrutinizing piece of material. I mean they say that we cannot have people ride on the float during homecoming. That is just being nit-picky. But the ideas dealing with alcohol I totally approve of, because they are there to limit us from getting tickets, getting hurt, or hurting other people. So I mean, we pay a chunk of change for insurance but our risk reduction policy won't even let us get to that stage and doesn't that just defeat the purpose of having insurance? I mean not completely but it does affect it a lot!

[ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl]

International, no. Chapter, yes. But that is partially my fault, so I can't talk.

[Sigkapash]

i think anyone who gets mad and thinks they are being hazed and its a risk managment issue for having a scavenger hunt, that doesnt involve illegal actions, shouldnt be a part of the greek world in the first place. I just joined my sorority and my entire pledge class wanted to do a scavenger hunt but we couldnt because people have complained in the past about it. They pretty much ruined it for the rest of us.