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[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by ChaosDST
Yeah, we're not equating the ignorance of some with the ignorance of all. But, there is an overall climate on GC that is persistent in the General Forums.

You don't have to be members of the NPHC, or any other BGLOs, to post in these forums. We welcome everyone, as long as folks don't come in here being condescending or patronizing. But, you know that already

I'm glad you're learning from the NPHC, as most of us are learning a great deal about NPC and IFC from GC.

Co-sign.

We really do welcome all as long as you abide by the forum's policies.

For those who already post over here, I have not had any complaints about you posting here.

[33girl]

Originally posted by Steeltrap
Maybe I'm reading a helluva lot more into this than I should, but basically I think he has the urge to refer to us as n*****s.

I don't think you're reading into it...I think you're absolutely right.

[cammykaze1920]

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=31075

[CrimsonTide4]

Truthfully, I don't care if the orgs had these clauses or if they still exist. . .WHY, because I am not a member. Hell for any of us who went to a PWI or non-HBCU, I am sure there were white only clauses at those institutions. Some of us might be living in homes with white only clauses, etc. etc.

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Truthfully, I don't care if the orgs had these clauses or if they still exist. . .WHY, because I am not a member. Hell for any of us who went to a PWI or non-HBCU, I am sure there were white only clauses at those institutions. Some of us might be living in homes with white only clauses, etc. etc.

Precisely. In terms of my home area, the southernmost two counties of California (O.C. and San Diego) aren't as progressive as the Bay Area when it comes to racial matters. Back in the early 1960s, before fair housing came into play on the national level, SoCal voters did pass restrictive covenant laws.

Although I have an idea of why that thread was alerted. It was a reasonable discussion, except for the occasional individual who hasn't got the message that it should stay out of such topics.

[Sistermadly]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
Hell for any of us who went to a PWI or non-HBCU, I am sure there were white only clauses at those institutions. Some of us might be living in homes with white only clauses, etc. etc.

That was the point I was trying to make with my very first post in that thread. I mean, if you're going to get bent out of shape about that, stop paying taxes to the and/or refuse to take government subsidized student loans because the US government certainly had racist ideals built into its constitution at one time.

Come to think of it, not paying taxes isn't such a bad idea after all.

[RedefinedDiva]

It makes me no difference. I know that there were and still are places and orgs. that may not welcome me. They may grin and bear it because it's P.C., or they may just blatantly let it be known. Who cares? I don't want to be in their orgs. and I don't need their love or acceptance. It's a fact of life and it's 24 years too late to let them worry me.

[Honeykiss1974]

The "Negro" part of the discussion was interesting, though.


Many its the Accountant in me, but I just don't consider 100 minorities out of 200,000 plus members "multi-ethnic" It ain't adding up.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
The "Negro" part of the discussion was interesting, though.


Many its the Accountant in me, but I just don't consider 100 minorities out of 200,000 plus members "multi-ethnic" It ain't adding up.

I would agree. I wish people would stop skirting the issue...I'm starting to believe the org I started the post talking about had this clause LATE in the game - like up through the mid-1970s. I can't believe that. I'm confident that my traditionally white sorority had one at one point, which I don't like, but we got rid of it prior to 1960 for sure...I feel like they waited until somebody sued or something.

[33girl]

I'm not sure if I stated this in the other thread but if you find OLD Baird's Manuals (like from the 20's - 30's - 40's) the racial and religious clauses are often stated outright.

[lovelyivy84]

I dont really care so I haven't read the thread. It ain't news, lol.

MY concern is first and foremost Alpha Kappa Alpha and then the Divine Nine.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by 33girl
I'm not sure if I stated this in the other thread but if you find OLD Baird's Manuals (like from the 20's - 30's - 40's) the racial and religious clauses are often stated outright.

Really? My school library has an old copy of Baird's from the late 1940s, I think. Maybe I'll go do some research.

I don't understand why some people seem to be so desperate to point out that their historically white organization never had a written whites-only policy. Whether the policy was written or not, we all discriminated on some level, and most of it was pretty bad and supported -- if not required -- by HQ. And the possibility that some orgs might have had this policy well into the 1970s makes me sick.

On the other hand, I'm almost positive that my organization had a whites-only policy in place at one point in time, and given the national rep that my sorority has (conservative, very traditional, and historically very strong in the South) I wouldn't be surprised if we had that policy, written or not, until pretty late in the game too.

As sad as that makes me, I do think it's something we need to discuss and not gloss over and pretend didn't happen -- and unfortunately, a lot of NPC HQs like to pretend it never happened. That's why there's so little written documentation on which organizations had whites-only or no-blacks policies. And maybe that's a good thing, maybe they're so embarassed that we once had these policies that they want to obliterate the evidence. Or maybe it's just that they want to cover it up because they know that in some chapters the same things are still going on. Either way I think it's something that needs to be discussed so we can learn from it.

[CrimsonTide4]

http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/...threadid=48433

Discuss in Greek Life.

[CrimsonTide4]

http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/...threadid=48484

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
http://www.greeksource.com/gcforums/...threadid=48484

Man, but I wonder if it's true in Kollyfornia.