Rush at UCSC - Page 75

wishinhopin · #**1111** 07-09-2003, 12:41 PM

Hi everyone,

No real news to speak of. We've gotten together most everything we need to send to Theta Nu Xi, but I accidently sent the packet home with a sister who I can't currently get in touch with. So, a few days ago I emailed the expansion coordinator from ONE with a list of everything we have in our Declaration of Interest packet, to make sure we aren't missing anything. Once we get an email back from her, I'll send it off! I'm feeling a little discouraged about the whole thing though...I probably won't end up being initiated as a member (if they choose to definitely expand on our campus) while I'm actually attending UCSC, so that's a disapointment. Sometimes I start to feel sorry for myself because it seems like I've put in so much work,and I don't know when I'll be able to experience tangible results. But, I know that just what we've accomplished so far is amazing, and I'm extremely happy about that. We're making progress on fall rush- we have a cute rush theme, which I will describe once I talk to everyone in NBO and make sure they're all for it. And, we have money for t shirts and whatnot, so things should go well. I'm curious to see how the DOC/MTV thing affects rush in general on our campus- I don't know that a whole lot of attention will be generated in fall, but after the show airs, who knows what may happen. I don't feel particularly positive about the whole thing, but who knows, maybe I'm totally off. I would really like it if I were way off actually. Anyway, I anticipate this next year being somewhat of a turning point for us. I don't know how I'm going to do everything- I currently have a schedule that involves working every Mon-Fri (new job-makeup wasn't paying enough) from 9-5, and then being in class from 6-9 each night. So altogether I'm going to be insanely busy, but hopefully things will fall into place. Once again, I really really appreciate the support and continued interest of everyone on Greekchat- it's the little things like that which really make me feel like we can end up accomplishing the goals we set for ourself.

pinkyphimu · #**1112** 07-13-2003, 12:28 AM

wh-

it sounds like someone has his panties in a ruffle.

we still wish you the absolute best! i hope that you get a hold of that girl and get that packet out!!!!!

AOII_LB93 · #**1113** 07-13-2003, 12:42 AM

Educated,

This is hardly the place for personal attacks. I suggest you find a different way to express yourself that doesn't contradict the name you so inatply chose for yourself. So you are friends with the men of DOC, is that any reason to flame someone on a public message board? As we already know, people are entitled to their own opinions, something I'm sure you will point out later in an equally malicious post. Try on some restraint for size next time you decide to whip out the insults, shall we?

wishin: Best of luck with Theta Nu Xi, as I have been following your thread for ages now.

wishinhopin · #**1114** 07-13-2003, 12:46 AM

I've never said that myself or any members of my sorority haven't made mistakes. The true test of me disgracing my sorority would be their reaction to my actions, not anyone elses, and certainly not yours, Educated. My class was shown in the lessons I have learned, that apologies that I have made, and the grace with which I have strived toward. If you care to side with DOC on this matter, I see little that I can do to change your opinion. Obviously you are in the same category that they are in- not worth my time. Please, enjoy embarrasing yourself with your ignorant posts.

wishinhopin · #**1115** 07-13-2003, 01:04 AM

Sidenote- moderators, I honestly don't care if you leave Educated's comments posted or not. I'm not ashamed of anything that I have done, nor do I expect anyone to view me differently because of his distorted opinion. I think that anyone who has read this thread has a very clear idea of what kind of person I am, and his posting is nothing more than a showcase of what kind of person he is.

Peaches-n-Cream · #**1116** 07-13-2003, 01:14 AM

Everyone makes mistakes. How one deals with those mistakes demonstrates character and integrity. I think that Corina has demonstrated these qualities from what I have been reading in this thread for nearly two years.

I really don't see the point of calling her names on this message board. I understand that you are friends with the brothers of DOC. They are going through a difficult time now from what I have read. Perhaps you ought to be supportive of them rather than insulting Corina.

Educated · #**1117** 07-13-2003, 04:02 AM

I'm not here to flame ANYONE.. and that is why I didn't get in to specifics.. my point is MY comments are in NO WAY more attacking towards wishinhopin than her comments towards DOC.

I have been on the board 1 week, and tried to catch up as best as possible. She is just as attacking and degrading towards this org as I was towards her.

I'm not here to be childish and say, "OH YEAH? WELL YOU DID THIS!!," but look at these comments. Nobody on this board, except her, knows DOC and they already have this impression built by her. If you really want to live by you words.. STOP spreading your biased propaganda to people and just let them bury themselves.

Cast the first stone, wishin...... that's all I'm saying.

wishinhopin · #**1118** 07-13-2003, 04:27 AM

I'm going to try to pick my words very carefully here, because I don't want emotions to get in the way of what I want to say. My "attacks" on DOC have always been careful to point out that no, I don't like them, and here is why- but I don't expect anyone to hold that same opinion based on my thoughts alone. If people on this website, or anywhere for that matter, hate DOC, it isn't because of me. I'm not that powerful of a person. I trust the intelligence of people who post here- I trust that they will take what I say with a grain of salt, and be mature enough to form their own opinions on things. My posts in the Risk Management and Hazing forum were aimed towards being more neutral on the subject than I actually am. I feel that I considered all of the facts and have been either refuting your points or learning from them. My posts in this thread, however, have a more personal nature. This is MY thread, about all the emotions and experiences behind the creation of MY sorority. Emotions play very heavily in this. Good times and bad are posted here- problems between sisters are addressed, problems with UCSC faculty, problems with other organizations. I post my true and often uncensored emotions here because the advice that I get back is the most valuable that I could ever hope for. People take me down a notch when I'm wrong, support me when I'm feeling hopeless, and congratulate me for all the amazing things I have done. But here's the catch- they do it respectfully. My thoughts on DOC have never been a matter of just trying to talk shit about them. They have been regarding our interactions and issues with them, and the basic facts of things they have done. I'm only human, I can't and won't completely conceal my emotions behind the matter.
So fine, you feel like you busted me out on those things you mentioned. But let me explain some things to you:

1. Had you actually read this entire thread, as opposed to just searching for shit that I may have talked about DOC, you would see that (among other things) those two posts that you quoted were a full year apart, at least. People change with time, and sometimes you realize people aren't who you thought.

2. Yes, I have been involved with DOC. I have been to their parties, I've been on the booze cruise, my sorority has had socials with them. Point is, it's past tense. I've gotten past the point in my life where getting drunk and crazy is as fun as it used to be. I've moved on, and I'm not the same person I was when all these things you're refering to happened.

3. You want me to stop being two faced? I'll be totally, brutally, bust myself out honest here: Yep, I've hooked up with guys from DOC. It's not a secret, and I'm not ashamed of it. Want to know why? Because their actions leading up to those events were so remarkably different from their actions during and after. I've been the drunk girl who believed that a guy actually was nice and not just trying to get in her pants. And I thank DOC for that- the experiences I had in that respect (which, by the way, are not all that much at all) have taught me to trust myself more than other people, to develop a thicker skin, to face my mistakes with maturity and self evaluation.

4. After that social, want to know what I did? I called the Pesident of DOC, and explained to him the circumstances behind the situation. We had never had a social with a fraternity before. We were there acting like we were at a party, not a sorority event- because we had never had a sorority event before. I'd been going to fraternity parties at SDSU since I was 14. Things got crazy there, things were considered acceptable that I have since found to be less than desirable activities. So I explained to the Pesident that I sincerely regretted the things that happened, and I didn't want DOC to think that we were always like that. And from then on, we learned slowly but surely about how things go. We started treating socials and rush events as more formal activities- we got burned hard in the beginning by our own naivety (sp?), and we learned from it.

5. I never ever said that I had a personal problem with the booze cruise. It's fun, it serves a specific person (get drunk and crazy on a boat! woo hoo!) and I totally understand why people go. My comments on the other thread were simply that I can understand why the university isn't a fan of such things.

6. My negative perceptions of DOC aren't because of the reasons that you may think. You don't know me- and you don't know all the things that have happened. I'm not going to be the bitch who gives a list of things that have done that myself, my sisters, and other people at UCSC didn't appreciate. I haven't mentioned any information that wasn't already known. Because you know what? I don't need to post all that shit. I don't need for anyone else to agree with me on this matter, because I know the truth. I have enough self respect and maturity to admit when I've made mistakes, and clear my own name when you tried to mar it. Get your information straight please. And maybe going off what your buddies tell you happened isn't the best way- things aren't always what they seem. I don't expect you to believe me over them, especially because I placed myself in some situations that looked pretty damn suspicious. But I respect EVERY SINGLE decision that I have made, and I don't really need you trying to get me or anyone else to doubt that.

sugar and spice · #**1119** 07-13-2003, 05:29 AM

Corina's comments have done little (and in some cases nothing) to sway the personal opinions of posters on this board. Most of us post here on GreekChat because we are sick and tired of the Greek stereotypes. DOC, from everything we've said and heard, seems to promote them:

- the koi incident
- the fact that, instead of apologizing, they basically made a public statement that said "We don't care, we'd rather do whatever we want than behave with class, and we don't care who it hurts"
- "Freshman girls, get them while they're skinny"
- shouting rude comments at female students and their mothers

To paraphrase Brooke from SL2, "Can we have a little class? I mean, just a little?"

It is DOC's right to behave however they want; however, if they behave however they want, they also have to learn how to take the isht that comes along with it. And they are going to have to learn how to take a lot of isht from those who are sick and tired of being stereotyped as behaving exactly the way DOC does.

If you want to be treated well, you have to earn it, and DOC sure as hell hasn't.

mmcat · #**1120** 07-13-2003, 08:19 AM

you get as good as you give.
so far, the gentlemen of doc haven't shown much.

corrina, stay the course girl. it will be worth it.

DeltaSigStan · #**1121** 07-13-2003, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wishinhopin

3. You want me to stop being two faced? I'll be totally, brutally, bust myself out honest here: Yep, I've hooked up with guys from DOC. It's not a secret, and I'm not ashamed of it.

WHAT?!?!?! Then what was all that "one in a million" talk?

kddani · #**1122** 07-13-2003, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Educated
I'm not here to flame ANYONE.. and that is why I didn't get in to specifics.. my point is MY comments are in NO WAY more attacking towards wishinhopin than her comments towards DOC.

I have been on the board 1 week, and tried to catch up as best as possible. She is just as attacking and degrading towards this org as I was towards her.

I'm not here to be childish and say, "OH YEAH? WELL YOU DID THIS!!," but look at these comments. Nobody on this board, except her, knows DOC and they already have this impression built by her. If you really want to live by you words.. STOP spreading your biased propaganda to people and just let them bury themselves.

Cast the first stone, wishin...... that's all I'm saying.

That's funny, all you've done is flame. And you sure tossed plenty of stones, which were subsequently deleted by the moderator of this forum because they were personal attacks and totally uncalled for.

I formed my opinion on DOC way before I ever read any of the posts Corina made. If you believe one person on GC has that much power and influence, then you're nuts.

Your posts are totally hypocritical. Part of me wishes that the moderator didn't delete your attacking posts, so then everyone could see for themselves. All you have done since coming to this board is try to spread propaganda about DOC being misunderstood and how they're not all that bad, etc. Look in the mirror at your own actions.

AND- hopefully this hijack of probably THE best thread on GC can end soon.

texas*princess · #**1123** 07-13-2003, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
Corina's comments have done little (and in some cases nothing) to sway the personal opinions of posters on this board. Most of us post here on GreekChat because we are sick and tired of the Greek stereotypes. DOC, from everything we've said and heard, seems to promote them:

- the koi incident
- the fact that, instead of apologizing, they basically made a public statement that said "We don't care, we'd rather do whatever we want than behave with class, and we don't care who it hurts"
- "Freshman girls, get them while they're skinny"
- shouting rude comments at female students and their mothers

To paraphrase Brooke from SL2, "Can we have a little class? I mean, just a little?"

It is DOC's right to behave however they want; however, if they behave however they want, they also have to learn how to take the isht that comes along with it. And they are going to have to learn how to take a lot of isht from those who are sick and tired of being stereotyped as behaving exactly the way DOC does.

If you want to be treated well, you have to earn it, and DOC sure as hell hasn't.

sugarandspice,
I agree 110% !!!

What wishinhopin has told us is nothing we didn't already know from the press.. so she is not affecting the way we "see" DOC.

Like sugarandspice said:
It is DOC's right to behave however they want; however, if they behave however they want, they also have to learn how to take the isht that comes along with it. And they are going to have to learn how to take a lot of isht from those who are sick and tired of being stereotyped as behaving exactly the way DOC does.

PenguinTrax · #**1124** 07-14-2003, 09:03 AM

Let's keep things on topic or Carnation and I will have to act like moderators, kwim?

Thanks in advance...

FuzzieAlum · #**1125** 07-15-2003, 04:25 PM

Man, I have to stop going on vacation. Corina, you go girl!