Indiana University 2014 Recruitment

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I appreciate your pain, but those active are awake most of the night voting and setting up for the next round parties while the PNMs are sleeping. There are difficulties to both sides.

I calculated that I slept for 12 hours total Friday-Monday. And I completely agree on difficulties on both sides. 8am-10pm is brutal for EVERYONE . And don't think it was a tear free weekend for the actives!

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I am NOT one of those IU alumnae who believe that you must live in all three years to have THE experience.

Totally was not directing that comment at you. I lived in my chapter house for 3 semesters and that was more than enough. By the time you're 21, living in the house is not nearly as much fun and you never get any peace!

I highly doubt IU will ever change, but it would be nice.

[ZTAIUalum]

I know it is stressful on both sides, but I do know that ZTA (my alum at IU) accepted a much larger pledge class this year due to pressures from ZTA headquarters. This is forcing some girls to live out their senior year *which has not happened in years! So there are houses adapting to the changes. IU Rush is so stressful and the cross cuts that happen are very hard for everyone. At other schools (southern) if you agree to take one of your pref night houses (any of them) you are guaranteed a house...so at least you get one of the 3 or 2 or 1 you go to. But I do think much is lost living out of the house. Some of my best years were getting to know everyone in the house! There is no rhyme or reason on who gets in...I tried to pull my boyfriends sister in and for some reason she didn't get in...again no rhyme or reason she was being totally looked out for, but in the end she got into a great house and loved that house too. There is a house for everyone, but the girls have to be willing to accept whatever they get and not go in only wanting whatever house. this year was difficult as they cut a party due to the snow. It all stinks..but try again...my best friend did and got in sophomore year...to my house

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by ZTAIUalum

There is a house for everyone, but the girls have to be willing to accept whatever they get and not go in only wanting whatever house.

Sorry, but no. This is the whole point, did you read these last few pages? There IS NOT space for everyone. Do they not teach math at IU anymore?

[ZTAIUalum]

Originally Posted by silver_blue

Sorry, but no. This is the whole point, did you read these last few pages? There IS NOT space for everyone. Do they not teach math at IU anymore?

You know, I had so many friends at IU, many not in a house, and believe it or not they are very happy girls. We invited them to a lot of our sorority functions, and I love them like a sister and roomed with some of them post IU. I don't understand your obvious anger. I was merely making a statement, but there are MANY girls that suicide, or put down only one...

What I am saying is Greek isn't for everyone and many who didn't go Greek are still happy wonderful people...and yes, I took math...no need for the obvious snarky comment.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by silver_blue

Totally was not directing that comment at you. I lived in my chapter house for 3 semesters and that was more than enough. By the time you're 21, living in the house is not nearly as much fun and you never get any peace!

And you can't keep beer/wine in the fridge!

[Lovethesand]

I read this on "that" site about IU sorororities.

"Exclusivity is essential to Greek life. Various membership standards make it exclusive in nature, and if you really want the best people for the organization then you have to be exclusive. That's not a bad thing because maintaining no standards hurts Greek life in various ways, and letting everyone in basically defeats the purpose (not to mention lack of standards ends up with members who get their GLOs in trouble). Those numbers are terrible and the system needs fixing, but Greek Life is inherently exclusive and you're kidding yourself if you think that's a bad thing."

I know that site is the devil but I also know a lot of college kids look and post on that site. I don't think this is about standards but more about exclusivity and that's sad. As somebody said if Bama can make a change which was well overdue why can't or won't IU?

[silver_blue]

Originally Posted by ZTAIUalum

You know, I had so many friends at IU, many not in a house, and believe it or not they are very happy girls. We invited them to a lot of our sorority functions, and I love them like a sister and roomed with some of them post IU. I don't understand your obvious anger. I was merely making a statement, but there are MANY girls that suicide, or put down only one...

What I am saying is Greek isn't for everyone and many who didn't go Greek are still happy wonderful people...and yes, I took math...no need for the obvious snarky comment.

I'm being snarky because it's quite clear you haven't read (or if you have, cannot seem to understand) the many pages in the last few days discussing IU's serious problem where HUNDREDS of girls who maximize their options end up bidless.

You can say that there are opportunities outside greek like at IU all you want, but considering you were a member of a (highly coveted actually) sorority there, I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Clubs, etc. are great and a good idea for any college student regardless of greek affiliation, but speaking as someone who was on the outside looking in at IU until I transferred, my joining clubs was no replacement for the sorority experience I saw my roommate and other dorm friends having.

Sure, there are many girls that suicide or are too good for certain chapters, but that's a problem at every single school with greek life, nobody on greek chat will dispute that. The problems we're discussing in this thread are IU specific because of your antiquated, bizarre, and cruel bed quota system.

[TAMUAlphaPhi]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I think part of your post identifies a limitation of recruitments in general - not just IU, and I fear some of that is getting lost in this IU discussion. At any recruitment, members are making invitation decisions based on very limited time and information about the PNMs. That is why there is heartache in every recruitment - even ones that aren't competitive at all. It may be atrocious in your words, but it is the nature of sorority membership selection. It is not bullying. These members are doing the best they can with the resources they have. That is why GCers repeat over and over that personal relationships with sorority members are so crucial, because these relationships increase the amount of information a chapter has about a PNM. It is like having extra recruitment party time beyond those 45-170 minutes.

I hold IU's PanHellenic responsible for the archaic recruitment practices there, and I think it is high time for significant changes to be made. But there won't be a system (*cough* Tufts *cough*) where there is a fit for everyone. Chapters have the right as private organizations to decline membership. In most systems, there is a place for most PNMs. I believe that a change to a quota/total system would achieve this at IU as well.

I love this post for so many reasons! And I want to share a small addition to the sentence I highlighted with a bold font.

Something that I think PNMs (and those who love them) need to keep in mind is that the PNM also only has this small amount of time to get to know the chapters. To me, THAT is the reason PNMs need to keep an open mind about every chapter throughout the entire process. It's the "business case" for maximizing your options.

I'm sad for all of the well-qualified young ladies who went bidless at IU. But my heart really breaks for those who completed the entire process, kept an open mind, maximized their options and wound up with out a bid.

[ZTAIUalum]

Originally Posted by Lovethesand

I read this on "that" site about IU sorororities.


I know that site is the devil but I also know a lot of college kids look and post on that site. I don't think this is about standards but more about exclusivity and that's sad. As somebody said if Bama can make a change which was well overdue why can't or won't IU?

I think things are changing...just not every house. I know my alum house ZTA accepted a much larger pledge class and the girls will start living out next year due to pressure from headquarters...so to say no one is doing anything I think is unfair. I do agree though it needs to be more widespread!

[silver_blue]

It's good that some houses are letting seniors live out, but that isn't going to fix the problem entirely. The only rational solution is to go to a quota system just like every other college.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by ZTAIUalum

I think things are changing...just not every house. I know my alum house ZTA accepted a much larger pledge class and the girls will start living out next year due to pressure from headquarters...so to say no one is doing anything I think is unfair. I do agree though it needs to be more widespread!

Could you tell us what that number is? I cannot seem to locate it anywhere. Thank you!

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Found some more pictures to round out my contributions to the thread!

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[Iu mom]

Originally Posted by Maman

Could you provide the post number for 36 legacies in a bid class?

It was absolutely 36 legacies because it's my sorority - national office advised me there were close to double that legacies and they took 36- not my daughter though

[FSUZeta]

36 legacies in a pledge class is amazing-you rarely see that at a Southern school. I am sorry that your daughter was not among the lucky legacies who received bids.