Question for DARs on GC

[honeychile]

Originally posted by DGMarie
My MIL qualifies for DAR but she never joined bec all the ladies were "100 years old." Her surname is Hawbaker (or may be spelled Hawbecker).

I've found three Habecker/Hawbeckers for your MIL! You have to remember that spelling only became standardized in the last 200 years.

All three are from PA; Christian, John, and Joseph. If you'd like further details, PM me!

[honeychile]

Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
Probably not--he was Washington's guide, but I doubt he was a soldier or anything. I like the idea of the Daughters of Union Veterans of the Civil War, though...my mom's excited, too. I think we'll check into that. Thanks, AOIIsilver!

AchtungBaby80, I just looked up Christopher Gist, and he's not listed - but SEVERAL other Gists are. Remember, though, even though he may not have been a soldier, if you can prove that he gave "aid and comfort" to the Revolution, he (and you!) is eligible. Aid and comfort can be as simple as giving the soldiers food or bales of hay to having hidden a soldier to serving as a Justice of the Peace/Juror/etc of any sort.

I'd love to see someone who was one of Washington's or Jefferson's slaves use this proviso that they are eligible, because if ANYONE gave aid & comfort, it was the slaves who kept the home fires burning!!

[honeychile]

The reason I even dug up this old thread is the tired old story about the racist times of the 1930's, when Marian Anderson's first time to sing at the DAR's Memorial Hall was denied.

Last month, a stamp honoring Marian Anderson was issued, and the ceremony was held... at the DAR hall!

From the DAR website: "The ceremony's honored guests admire the new Marian Anderson Stamp, the 28th in the U.S. Postal Service's Black Heritage series. From left to right: Ambassador Jukka Valtasaari, Rev. Walter Fauntroy, soprano Kathleen Battle, Anderson biographer Allan Keiler, Anderson's nephew James DePreist, Deputy Postmaster General John Nolan, DAR President General Presley Wagoner, local ABC News reporter Angela Russell, mezzo-soprano Denyce Graves, soprano Mattiwilda Dobbs."



If you watch the entire slideshow, you'll also see that several members of her family were there, too.

[Beryana]

Originally posted by adduncan
I've seen this before too. The DAC are ladies descended from American settlers who arrived prior to about 1700 (don't quote me just yet on that..... need to cross-check that fact.)

Since I'm also putting together my papers for the DAC (as well as DAR - just waiting on copies to come back from CT and VT!), I'm going to add to the info about DAC. You actually have to prove that the ancestor was the original owner of land (through patent, grant, etc), served in a colonial army, member of MA Bay, London, Virginia, Plymouth companies, etc. Its unfortunately not as simple as just having arrived here prior to 4 July 1776. More information can be found at Daughters of American Colonists website. This is quite a bit of fun to research! I found that an ancestor came to Boston with the MA Bay company (on the William and Frances) in 1632, another was a jury foreman for the murder trial that started the King Phillip's War, and a couple more service in a colonial army or were town clerks. I have also found out that I have ancestors that fought in most major conflicts since the 1600s - all volunteers!

Anyway, that's just my little addition!

Sarah

[Lady Pi Phi]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but this seems like a good place to ask this question. While I'm not persuing membership in DAR (Toronto does have the Upper Canada chapter...I checked their webiste), I was wondering how one would go about tracing their geneology? I don't really want to pay someone to do it, but how I would I go about doing it myself? Just for fun. And who knows what I might find?

[adduncan]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
I haven't read through this whole thread, but this seems like a good place to ask this question. While I'm not persuing membership in DAR (Toronto does have the Upper Canada chapter...I checked their webiste), I was wondering how one would go about tracing their geneology? I don't really want to pay someone to do it, but how I would I go about doing it myself? Just for fun. And who knows what I might find?

Most of my research began with talking to older relatives to get some basic information about family relations they might remember. But the hard-core work starts with getting vital records. Most birth, marriage, and death records (as well as military, church, etc) will have information on each person's parents, where they were born, and mother's maiden name. Starting with your own parents' birth or marriage records, you can work up the line as far as records are available.

If you run into a dead end (everyone does, we all have stories about it. ) there are other sources, such as newspaper articles (births and deaths are usually recorded there, as well as weddings) and military records - either pension roles or recruitment records.

Historical societies provide a great deal of help - they collect this kind of information and index it so it can be looked up.

This is just the first place to start. Ever since sites like www.ancestry.com started, this research has actually gotten easier. And I understand from our last Continental Congress that one of the goals of the current national administration is to get the DAR genealogical records online for easier access. (The records are already available in person in Memorial Continental Hall.)

Have fun - but I'll warn you, this is *very* addictive and there is no 12-step program.

--add

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by adduncan
Most of my research began with talking to older relatives to get some basic information about family relations they might remember. But the hard-core work starts with getting vital records. Most birth, marriage, and death records (as well as military, church, etc) will have information on each person's parents, where they were born, and mother's maiden name. Starting with your own parents' birth or marriage records, you can work up the line as far as records are available.

If you run into a dead end (everyone does, we all have stories about it. ) there are other sources, such as newspaper articles (births and deaths are usually recorded there, as well as weddings) and military records - either pension roles or recruitment records.

Historical societies provide a great deal of help - they collect this kind of information and index it so it can be looked up.

This is just the first place to start. Ever since sites like www.ancestry.com started, this research has actually gotten easier. And I understand from our last Continental Congress that one of the goals of the current national administration is to get the DAR genealogical records online for easier access. (The records are already available in person in Memorial Continental Hall.)

Have fun - but I'll warn you, this is *very* addictive and there is no 12-step program.

--add

Thanks!

I'll give it a go and see what I come up with.

[honeychile]

Lady PiPhi, I found this link last night, and while it's a step by step process for the DAR, it's really a very good and realistic way to go about doing ANY lineage (especially Part One). Just bear in mind, there are a lot of tales & stories that may help you out - or bog you down. Be sure to be able to back up anything you find online or in a history - the information is only as good as the person who writes it. Trust me, there's enough misinformation on one of my lines online, I could cry!

Good luck, and if you need any help, I'm sure adduncan, Silver, or I would be happy to help you!


Sarah - CONGRATULATIONS!!! I'm thrilled for you!!! And thank you for the link!

[mmcat]

good luck to you...
my mom helped my sister and i through the process.

[AlphaSigOU]

Sorry, don't qualify for membership in the DAR; I'm 3rd generation FOB (fresh off the boat) from Ireland on my father's side, part Venezuelan and Hindu (via Trinidad) on my mother's side.

I might qualify for membership in the Sons of Erin or whatever Irish genealogical society is called.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Sorry, don't qualify for membership in the DAR; I'm 3rd generation FOB (fresh off the boat) from Ireland on my father's side, part Venezuelan and Hindu (via Trinidad) on my mother's side.

I might qualify for membership in the Sons of Erin or whatever Irish genealogical society is called.

Ancient Order of the Hiberians?

Here is a list of many of the lineage societies available in the United States. I think the links are a bit old, so if you put the name of an organization in a search engine, you may have some luck.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

AOH or The Society of the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick.

I think that when I have some free time, I will start to research my lineage again. Not for DAR membership, but just to see if I can.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
AOH or The Society of the Friendly Sons of St. Patrick.

I think that when I have some free time, I will start to research my lineage again. Not for DAR membership, but just to see if I can.

LOL - that's how I got started...

[honeychile]

Originally posted by AXiD670
*bump*

I was searching for something else, and this thread came up, reminding me that I needed to page honeychile for a question I have!

It may have been mentioned in this thread, and I'm too lazy to read the whole thing again, but here it is:

My brother just joined the SAR, and he told my mom that all his paperwork is online now in case my sister and I wanted to join DAR. Is that correct -- can I use his info?

The answer is a definite Yes and No!

Yes, your information (assuming that you have the same biological parents) is the same, so it's definitely of great use.

No, because you can't use the short form of just proving that you're his sister, because the SAR and the DAR are not related (even though they use the same information).

Here's the easy way to do it: fill out this form, filling in as much as you can. If you know of someone who is already IN the DAR and would sponsor you, tell her that you have the information. The tricky part is if you don't really care for the chapter your friend is in, or if you don't really like the chapter suggested to you. This happened to me, and I'm just now extricating myself from it!

You'll be sent information on the DAR, and much of the worksheets etc can be found here. You want the RGG 1000, 1001, 1002, 1003 charts. These should be identical to that of your brother, except for your birth certificate.

If you don't have a copy of your birth certificate, and must send for it, be sure to make a note that it's for genealogical reasons! Most states are sending out birth certificates that say Mary Doe was born on 1/1/2001 in City, County, State. You need the one that says that Mary Doe, daughter of John and Sally Doe, was born on 1/1/2001 in City, County, State. Your baptismal or dedication certificates are good for establishing proof, too.

Good luck, and keep us posted about how it's going! I wish you were in my area, as I found a very nice, and very fun chapter now!