40 acres and a mule?

[PM_Mama00]

And how can you say that the slaves were treated worse than the Jews being burned alive, after bein torn from their houses and thrown into concentration camps like wild animals? Do you see them bitching and moaning and complaining about how the Germans owe them? NO! And there are still Nazis out there, but you don't see Jewish people bitching everyday that they are oppressed because of what happened to their ancestors, and many of them are still alive today!

You people are making me so sick with all the comments about how blacks were treated so much worse than Jews and other minorities. I don't remember who said it but someone said something about Hispanics are still treated like slaves in America, and that's true. But are they bitching about how they ARE treated? NO!

This type of stuff is what makes people prejudice! I know it's what makes me prejudice. I have no problem with blacks, but once they start bringing this up and saying that they are/were treated worse than anyone in the world. Ok? Fine.... I just admitted that I am prejudice.... but I explained it so maybe some of you will understand. But for those who can't--- I have absolutely no problem with people of a different color, but when they try to give the guilt trip, I am NOT havin it!

[chantillylace55]

PM_Mama

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chantillylace

[Rudey]

Well I'll step up and say I don't agree with you guys. The situation of any minority, whether it be black or Jewish is fundamentally and completely different. There is no comparison and I don't have the time to really discuss it.

I have to catch a flight in the morning again to consult with another of my firm's clients, so I think this will be my last post for about a week.

-Rudey
--Someone please shoot me...I can't keep working over 70 hours every week.

[KillarneyRose]

The "Ten Points" referred to at the beginning of the thread; is that real or is it a parody of something that was written at an earlier time?

If it is the latter, can someone please tell me where I can find the points on which the parody is based?

I think the subject is very interesting but, of course, it's hard for me to form an opinion on the Ten Points because I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take them seriously or not.

Thanks!

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
And how can you say that the slaves were treated worse than the Jews being burned alive, after bein torn from their houses and thrown into concentration camps like wild animals? Do you see them bitching and moaning and complaining about how the Germans owe them? NO! And there are still Nazis out there, but you don't see Jewish people bitching everyday that they are oppressed because of what happened to their ancestors, and many of them are still alive today!

You people are making me so sick with all the comments about how blacks were treated so much worse than Jews and other minorities. I don't remember who said it but someone said something about Hispanics are still treated like slaves in America, and that's true. But are they bitching about how they ARE treated? NO!

This type of stuff is what makes people prejudice! I know it's what makes me prejudice. I have no problem with blacks, but once they start bringing this up and saying that they are/were treated worse than anyone in the world. Ok? Fine.... I just admitted that I am prejudice.... but I explained it so maybe some of you will understand. But for those who can't--- I have absolutely no problem with people of a different color, but when they try to give the guilt trip, I am NOT havin it!

Lord have mercy.
And to think that somebody who's allegedly becoming EDUCATED posted this. I'm not just speaking of the sentiments, I'm speaking of the poor grammar. Presentation does matter.

On a serious tip, what a piece of ugly, hateful garbage this post is.

I really didn't want to respond to this, because I pride myself on my sense of decorum and refinement, and I also dislike how many people who post on here take topics off in ridiculous tangents.

But this couldn't go unchecked. And frankly, I'm pleased that I read this because ignorance should be exposed.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
The "Ten Points" referred to at the beginning of the thread; is that real or is it a parody of something that was written at an earlier time?

If it is the latter, can someone please tell me where I can find the points on which the parody is based?

I think the subject is very interesting but, of course, it's hard for me to form an opinion on the Ten Points because I'm not sure if I'm supposed to take them seriously or not.

Thanks!

Didn't think you would pick this up. I was wondering when someone would actually bring this up but nobody has yet.

David Horowitz plastered ads in university newspapers around the country on this. Everyone considers him full of hot air though. His ideas do hold a LOT of validity but the guy is out to make money and gain fame and it took people a while for people to understand that. Sadly he presents his ideas in a way to provoke a reaction and dismisses all opposing sides swiftly.

After the ads, before kids realized what he was really about, lots of campus fired up about this with Berkeley being at the head I believe. Several other campuses did not publish the ad and an issue of free speech and censorship arose from it.

He actually spoke at my school and kids saw where his argument was coming from, but he was really harsh. This guy is mean when it comes to someone asking him something that he thinks goes against what he believes. Once again, it's all a part of his desire for wealth and fame and nothing more.

http://www.adversity.net/reparations...rations_ad.htm

-Rudey
--In the end, the anti-globalist pro-rally white kids who don't wash their hair went home and all discussion of reparations was left for the black audience.

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by Rudey


Didn't think you would pick this up. I was wondering when someone would actually bring this up but nobody has yet.

David Horowitz plastered ads in university newspapers around the country on this. Everyone considers him full of hot air though. His ideas do hold a LOT of validity but the guy is out to make money and gain fame and it took people a while for people to understand that. Sadly he presents his ideas in a way to provoke a reaction and dismisses all opposing sides swiftly.

After the ads, before kids realized what he was really about, lots of campus fired up about this with Berkeley being at the head I believe. Several other campuses did not publish the ad and an issue of free speech and censorship arose from it.

He actually spoke at my school and kids saw where his argument was coming from, but he was really harsh. This guy is mean when it comes to someone asking him something that he thinks goes against what he believes. Once again, it's all a part of his desire for wealth and fame and nothing more.

http://www.adversity.net/reparations...rations_ad.htm

-Rudey
--In the end, the anti-globalist pro-rally white kids who don't wash their hair went home and all discussion of reparations was left for the black audience.

Oh, okay. I think I understand the whole thing now.

Rudy, you're saying that the "Ten Points" was written as a counter-argument to Horowitz's ads? If that is the case, I am extremely disappointed in the author of "Ten Points".

He had the opportunity to rebut Horowitz's claims in a rational, deliberate manner but he chose instead to compose what I can only term a diatribe. If the author is indeed in favor or reparations, why did he choose to send the argument into the realm of Theatre of the Absurd (I KNEW I could find a use for that dang English degree!)?

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The following was added after my original post....

I just thought of something. Were the Ten Points written in an ironic vein? Like perhaps the author is actually against reparations and so is trying to undermine the pro-reparations cause by publishing that?

Okay, I'm off to bed now! Goodnight, GreekChat! Go to sleep, Rudey!

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00

This type of stuff is what makes people prejudice! I know it's what makes me prejudice. I have no problem with blacks, but once they start bringing this up and saying that they are/were treated worse than anyone in the world.

The truth hurts doesn't it?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by KillarneyRose


Oh, okay. I think I understand the whole thing now.

Rudy, you're saying that the "Ten Points" was written as a counter-argument to Horowitz's ads? If that is the case, I am extremely disappointed in the author of "Ten Points".

He had the opportunity to rebut Horowitz's claims in a rational, deliberate manner but he chose instead to compose what I can only term a diatribe. If the author is indeed in favor or reparations, why did he choose to send the argument into the realm of Theatre of the Absurd (I KNEW I could find a use for that dang English degree!)?

I would guess that it was, but I'm not sure simply because these 10 point arguments are used every now and then. All I know is that there is a lot of hot air in all these people - from the supporters to the opposers. Everyone piggybacks the situation for their own personal benefit. Horowitz is almost forgotten, and I could say the same about the new Black Panthers in a sense. How about the white kids that all of a sudden became pro-reparations but went away just as quickly as they appeared? All forgotten.

-Rudey
--Ha ha I liked the last line. I'm out for a week. Take care everyone and play nice

[KillarneyRose]

I can't remember who brought up Jews not demanding restitution for what they suffered at the hands of the Nazis, but I copied this from a book review site and thought it might be of some interest...


Paying for the Past: The Struggle over Reparations for Surviving Victims of the Nazi Terror

Authors: Christian Pross, Belinda Cooper and Erich H. Loewy

Publisher: John Hopkins University Press, 276 pages, May 1998

Pross untangles the complicated history of reparations in West Germany, from the American military government’s 1947 law Number 59 (Restitution of Property Stolen in the Course of the "Aryanization of the Economy") to West Germany’s Federal Restitution law of 1957, and into the 1970’s.

Ok, NOW I'm REALLY off to bed!

[PM_Mama00]

Dionysus.... I agree with you. My reason for mentioning all that is because people keep saying that what happened to African Americans back then is so much worse than what happened to all these other people. And someone said you can't compare them. That's right, you can't. No ones problems are exactly the same, and no one's problems are more trivial than the next person's. That is what is angering me the most is that people keep bringing that up. That is why I asked if any of those minorities were complaining. Not to compare them, I'm sorry if that is what yall got out of it.

And I did not mean to offend the African Americans of America. I'm sorry if I did. If Hispanics always made it a Hispanic thing, or Asians always made it an Asian thing, I would feel the same. Even if whites did that. Do you think I like the KKK? No I don't. I don't agree with hating people just for what they look like, talk like, etc. If I were to meet one of you on the street one day, I may become friends with you. But the moment that you brought up well this this and this is cuz I'm black, then forget it.

Comedians even joke about it. There was an episode on Fresh Prince where he was like "....cuz I'm black", jokingly. Is it wrong for him to say that too? Prolly not cuz he is black.

And to Steel Trap... your mailbox was full so I'll respond here.
If you felt the need to report me, then fine. But how dare you tell me not to post. Who are you? My BGLO thread a while back was not to offend, altho I did involuntarily. I also posted on there that I now understand the history. My thread was for information, not starting a race war. I do not have a small mind. I have an open mind. I give everyone a chance, but when they do something to irk me, I reconsider. Obviously I add something constructive as well as other GCers on this board.... a heated debate.

You have a moral sickness, child. Deal with it

. No. My morals are quite alright, thank you.

How many people in this thread did you report? That is what I"m wondering, but don't worry I'm not losing any sleep over it.

Oh yeah, and I am in the middle of being educated, so I don't have to sit around and deal drugs and collect food stamps for the rest of my life (lol Rick). [bold]That was an inside joke, so DON"T take it personally anyone[/bold].

[Rudey]

OK I promise I'm sleeping after I write this. The Jewish situation is not comparable. The two main reasons are because that was not a situation that occured on American soil (although the turning back of Jews who would otherwise die and did die can be comparable) and also, mainly, because of the law applied. This was not simply a restitution for forced labor (or compensation for the precise desire to drive to extinction a large group of people) but also a restitution for stolen property and money.

Several countries and groups after the war have applied this law. The fact is that Jewish money is still in the hands of many Europeans also. The neutral Swiss certainly believe in being a part of the bandits of Europe.

-Rudey
--I promise i'm closing my window now, but please remember that this is not an issue where we compare different minorities. Play nice, for I will return soon.

Originally posted by KillarneyRose
I can't remember who brought up Jews not demanding restitution for what they suffered at the hands of the Nazis, but I copied this from a book review site and thought it might be of some interest...


Paying for the Past: The Struggle over Reparations for Surviving Victims of the Nazi Terror

Authors: Christian Pross, Belinda Cooper and Erich H. Loewy

Publisher: John Hopkins University Press, 276 pages, May 1998

Pross untangles the complicated history of reparations in West Germany, from the American military government’s 1947 law Number 59 (Restitution of Property Stolen in the Course of the "Aryanization of the Economy") to West Germany’s Federal Restitution law of 1957, and into the 1970’s.

Ok, NOW I'm REALLY off to bed!

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
And to Steel Trap... your mailbox was full so I'll respond here.
If you felt the need to report me, then fine. But how dare you tell me not to post. Who are you? My BGLO thread a while back was not to offend, altho I did involuntarily. I also posted on there that I now understand the history. My thread was for information, not starting a race war. I do not have a small mind. I have an open mind. I give everyone a chance, but when they do something to irk me, I reconsider. Obviously I add something constructive as well as other GCers on this board.... a heated debate. . No. My morals are quite alright, thank you.

How many people in this thread did you report? That is what I"m wondering, but don't worry I'm not losing any sleep over it.

Oh yeah, and I am in the middle of being educated, so I don't have to sit around and deal drugs and collect food stamps for the rest of my life (lol Rick). [bold]That was an inside joke, so DON"T take it personally anyone[/bold].[/color]

I surely don't take it personally, because I don't know you personally. Again, for the most part, I come here for amusement. I'm 16 years out of college and already have my piece of paper called a degree. I'm an educated, working, tax-paying person, not some creature that deals drugs and collects food stamps.
BTW, I'm a PRODUCTIVE member of GC who comes on here to meet my sorors and interact with others, not stir up the dung-laden pot.

As for the BGLO/GLO thread, if you had done a SEARCH, you would have found the information that you needed. I've been on GC long enough -- I lurked three months before registering -- to realize that these discussions often deteriorate into utterly retromingent diatribes.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
And how can you say that the slaves were treated worse than the Jews being burned alive, after bein torn from their houses and thrown into concentration camps like wild animals? Do you see them bitching and moaning and complaining about how the Germans owe them? NO! And there are still Nazis out there, but you don't see Jewish people bitching everyday that they are oppressed because of what happened to their ancestors, and many of them are still alive today!

You people are making me so sick with all the comments about how blacks were treated so much worse than Jews and other minorities. I don't remember who said it but someone said something about Hispanics are still treated like slaves in America, and that's true. But are they bitching about how they ARE treated? NO!

This type of stuff is what makes people prejudice! I know it's what makes me prejudice. I have no problem with blacks, but once they start bringing this up and saying that they are/were treated worse than anyone in the world. Ok? Fine.... I just admitted that I am prejudice.... but I explained it so maybe some of you will understand. But for those who can't--- I have absolutely no problem with people of a different color, but when they try to give the guilt trip, I am NOT havin it!

PM_Mama and Chantillylace..... WHY??

Gosh I don't know where to begin with this raving post.(and also to the person that agreed with it). Except that just because YOU haven't heard other minorities "bitching" about how they are treated does not mean that it does not go on.

On a sidenote:
My oh my! I understand that we all can say things in "the heat of the moment", but seriously this seems to be happening just to easily and frequently with you. Not a good thing.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by Steeltrap


I surely don't take it personally, because I don't know you personally. Again, for the most part, I come here for amusement. I'm 16 years out of college and already have my piece of paper called a degree. I'm an educated, working, tax-paying person, not some creature that deals drugs and collects food stamps.
BTW, I'm a PRODUCTIVE member of GC who comes on here to meet my sorors and interact with others, not stir up the dung-laden pot.

As for the BGLO/GLO thread, if you had done a SEARCH, you would have found the information that you needed. I've been on GC long enough -- I lurked three months before registering -- to realize that these discussions often deteriorate into utterly retromingent diatribes.

I'm sorry but your words are just too big for my small mind. Did you say dung-laden pot? I'm also a PRODUCTIVE (3 snaps in a Z formation) member. Have you even read any of my other posts? And back then I was a young GCer... didn't know about the SEARCH (4 snaps in a Y formation). If you realize that these discussions often deteriorate into utterly retromingent diatribes, then why post? If you don't wana stir up the dung-laden pot, then why post?

GC is a forum for asking/giving advice, sharing stories, meeting new people, and what we've all learned--- debates. If you can't take the heat, stop standing over the stove.


-PM_Mama00
--you can put away your thesaurus now, you're not impressing anyone with your crappy pot.