Order of the Phoenix Spoiler Thread - Page 9

SAEalumnus · #1 07-03-2003, 07:30 AM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
I was going to say that too -- just because one has to die at the hands of the other doesn't mean that one necessarily has to kill the other. Harry could accidentally knock a rock onto Voldemort, which would hit his head hard enough to kill him, and that would fulfill the prophecy even though it wouldn't exactly be murder. Not that I think that's what's going to happen.

Just to be fair, this is what was actually written in the book:

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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix - p. 841
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches. ... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives. ... The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies. ...

It seems that Harry has to actively kill Voldemort himself, rather than passively participating in an "accident."

oceanphi01 · #2 07-03-2003, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by MysticCat81
I've got a feeling we haven't seen the last of Snuffles.

Me too...because you don't actually see his body die. Maybe he does die, but I don't think so. It as just so quick and doesn't really seem like it happened. I guess we'll see....although waiting for the next book will be hard after waiting for 3 years for OotP.

DWAlphaGam · #3 07-04-2003, 09:34 AM

So I'm re-reading OotP, and I just passed the part when Harry felt that Voldemort was "the happiest he'd been in 14 years." The trio assumes that this is because the Death Eaters escaped from Azkaban, but it was also the night that Harry realized where the corridor and the black door was, thus making it easier for Voldemort to lure him there. So, not only did Voldemort get his death eaters back, but he also had a huge breakthrough in getting the "weapon." And who was the one who facilitated Harry figuring out about the corridor? You got it, our old pal Snape and his shady Occlumency lessons. Although I know a lot of people have sympathy for Snape and really believe that he's going to turn out to be not so bad after all, I really think that he's letting his hatred of Harry (and James, Sirius, etc.) get in the way and he'll probably end up setting Harry up for a very big fall. I think he's more interested in taking out his revenge on Harry for what the MWPP gang did to him than he is in helping Dumbledore.

Lady Pi Phi · #4 07-04-2003, 12:52 PM

Okay, how come some of you have 870 pages in your books and my book ends on Page 766?

I'm reading the Canadian print, and I don't see how different it can be from the American print, and the Canadian print is probably closer to the British print, than the American if they are different.

What is going on here?

KappaKittyCat · #5 07-04-2003, 12:58 PM

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So I'm re-reading OotP, and I just passed the part when Harry felt that Voldemort was "the happiest he'd been in 14 years." The trio assumes that this is because the Death Eaters escaped from Azkaban, but it was also the night that Harry realized where the corridor and the black door was, thus making it easier for Voldemort to lure him there. So, not only did Voldemort get his death eaters back, but he also had a huge breakthrough in getting the "weapon." And who was the one who facilitated Harry figuring out about the corridor? You got it, our old pal Snape and his shady Occlumency lessons. Although I know a lot of people have sympathy for Snape and really believe that he's going to turn out to be not so bad after all, I really think that he's letting his hatred of Harry (and James, Sirius, etc.) get in the way and he'll probably end up setting Harry up for a very big fall. I think he's more interested in taking out his revenge on Harry for what the MWPP gang did to him than he is in helping Dumbledore.

Very astute, DWAlphaGam. I'd thought something like that myself, but hadn't been able to articulate it that well. Good job. I agree that there's definitely something shady about Snape.

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Okay, how come some of you have 870 pages in your books and my book ends on Page 766?

Lady Pi Phi, I don't think that you got any sort of abridged version. I know that a different publishing company handles the Canadian version, so it's possible that the type was smaller or something like that.

Beryana · #6 07-04-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by KappaKittyCat
Lady Pi Phi, I don't think that you got any sort of abridged version. I know that a different publishing company handles the Canadian version, so it's possible that the type was smaller or something like that.

I would have to say that the Canadian version is identical to the UK version which has only 766. I believe the US DOES have larger type as well as we have all the fun graphics at the beginning of each chapter which takes up roughly half a page. We also have VERY different dust jackets.

Sarah

phisigduchesscv · #7 07-04-2003, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by MysticCat81

I've got a feeling we haven't seen the last of Snuffles.

I have to agree with you. Do we really know what is beyond the veil? Luna and Harry heard voices there. Is he really dead? I just reread that whole scene. First off when Harry tells Lupin they can still reach Sirius, Lupin says "There's nothing you can do, Harry....nothing...He's gone."

Harry keeps calling for Sirius so Lupin says "He can't come back, because he's d____" Harry yells "He's not dead" before Lupin can finish what he was going to say - so is he really dead or was it something else Lupin was going to say.

When Harry spoke to Nick about being a ghost notice that Nick never said Sirius was dead. "...when somebody has suffered a .... loss" (notice the pause before the word loss) and then he tells Harry "He will not come back. He will have....gone on"

From what I can tell only Harry has used the word dead and die when talking about what happened to Sirius.

Just putting forth another possibility,
Carolyn

Carolyn

AngelPhiSig · #8 07-04-2003, 01:58 PM

I decided to jump in now that Im completely finished...

I have read in books that are predicting what will happen and they had said that it was Sirus that was going to die...

Now, they also predict that it IS NOT Harry who will kill Voldemort. Maybe it is Neville?! I have also heard Snape, but that wont fit with the prophecy.

...and I also think that I am the ONLY person in the world who loves Snape? I love the character, and I do believe that he IS good and will prove himself more in the next books.

**oh and with the sorting hat's new song... who feels that those who got sorted into Hufflepuff are now feeling that they got the shaft cos their house just takes the leftovers?!**

Beryana · #9 07-04-2003, 02:43 PM

Okay, this thought/theory just popped into my head. Does dying at the hand of another necessarily mean that hand has to be touching the instrument of death? Could it mean that Harry would be a key player in the downfall of Voldemort? This could be seen as Harry getting involved in the Order and DA, as well as helping to bring together the houses and Wizarding World. Harry may not personally have to KILL Voldemort, but rather bring out Voldemort's death by being a key player the fight against V.

Once again, just a theory. . . .

Sarah

P.S. I would SO get a copy of Hogwarts, A History if it is ever written! I also would love to have books about the Marauders and their gang!

CutiePie2000 · #10 07-04-2003, 06:28 PM

I'm only on page 240 but I cheated and read this thread anyway (what can I say? I'm a slow reader....)
Anyhow, I am looking forward to getting further into this book!

Natty · #11 07-04-2003, 09:06 PM

I loved this book and can't wait for the next!!!! Please hurry JKR!!!!

Nat

SilverTurtle · #12 07-05-2003, 03:14 PM

I think it would be fascinating if JKR really did write Hogwarts A History

I'm amazed @ the world she's created & would love to learn about Hogwarts. Especially the founders & the history of all 4 houses.

ETA: I am re-reading the whole series now (a compulsive thing of mine) & Hermione says she read up on Hogwarts, etc. when she got her letter. But she had no idea she was a witch prior to her letter. So how did she know what to read up on? And how the heck did she get to Diagon Alley to buy her supplies?

KappaKittyCat · #13 07-05-2003, 04:20 PM

I wondered that, too. Maybe the letters that Muggle-born children get contain a page of extra instructions.

tinydancer · #14 07-05-2003, 07:32 PM

I finally finished - it took me a week. Another great read. Quite a compliment for someone who really did not think I would like the books at all. I generally do not like fantasy, but read the first one so I would be "up" on the latest literature and could talk to my students about it when they came into the library.

I think we are going to find out that Snape has some redeeming qualities after all!! Harry was indeed very, very angry, but I just figured it was his age. That can be such a miserable age anyway.

LOVE these books!! I feel that they are for everyone, because a good story is a good story.

Lady Pi Phi · #15 07-06-2003, 08:21 PM

This doesn't really have anything to do directly with The Order of the Phoenix, but it is Harry Potter related.

I was just watching the video of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, and something occured to me. Harry's Aunt Petunia is a muggle, and I am assuming her parents are muggles.
Both of Hermione's parents are muggles. I am wondering how a witch or wizard can be born to 2 muggle parents? How does this work? Was it even explained in the books and I just missed it.

What are your thought?