Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[btb87]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
The student that was raped went to central but I can make the correction to include the school the boys went to.

Thanks

Now THAT I didn't know. But what I am hoping for is that justice will be served. I honestly haven't heard too much more about it since this has happened, because I haven't been watching/listening to the news lately.

[Gods Ivy]

Yeah they talked about it on the Russ Parr Morning Show and the issue is that none of the men were suspended pending the investigation or anything they decided as a team to stop their season and not play any more games but have not owned up to or confessed to their part in the act of beating and raping this young woman. They separated her and the other girl that was with her and then began to beat and rape her and while doing so they called her racial names. It is truly sad how much racism is alive and well. There are also witnesses that said they were called the N word just because they were sitting outside of the house hours earlier.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
Hey I would like to know what you all think about the recent controversy around the black college student stripping for college tuition that was raped and beaten by 4 white Duke University lacrosse players and the party consisted of 40 of the teams members?

OK...I have to ask this...

Would you care if it was a white girl who was raped by "40 White Duke Lacrosse players"???

If your answer is Yes - you would care - then why is this a race issue??????? I can't say for sure, but they probably would have raped whoever they hired - black, white, yellow or pink. It just happened to be a black girl in this case.

The issue is a GIRL was raped by several Lacrosse players and no one is stepping forward. Do you honestly believe that if the girl that was raped was white that magically someone would offer info or step forward???

Oh, and if you answered "No" to the original question, then I just have no more words for you.

[Gods Ivy]

More information on this site: http://www.nbc17.com/education/8446074/detail.html

[Gods Ivy]

Oh I am concerned about there being a rape that occurred but there is a problem when the victim is being blamed because of her job and it was not publicized until week later, mainly because of race and class. I hope there are no blinders in the world that will hide the fact that this is a race issue. Especially when items were found at that house and none of the males have been arrested. The question to you AlphaFrog is, if they were black do you think they would be arrested now?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
Especially when items were found at that house and none of the males have been arrested. The question to you AlphaFrog is, if they were black do you think they would be arrested now?

No, I highly doubt they would have arrested an entire black Lacrosse team. I admit that they MIGHT have put a little more speed on the lab tests to get the DNA back so they could start making arrests.

[Gods Ivy]

That is unfortunate. Even if they would not have arrested the entire team some arrests would have been made. Clearly there is unjust in the criminal system and particularily when it comes to race and class. The fortunate get away with murder.

[Gods Ivy]

Please feel free to read the website information given in the previous posts to education yourself on more of the issues.

[PositivelyAKA]

I think (perhaps it aired already) that there is an interview with the three suspects coming up and a black lady? i don't know if she's the victim or someone speaking for her? did anyone see this or know when it will air. It makes no sense, rape is still not taken as a serious crime, race should not even be an issue, what the heck does that have to do with a violent crime. regardless of race it seems rape is just very hard to prove under the law.

[shinerbock]

It is very difficult to prove sometimes. It sucks that some people have been reckless in alleging rape, and have cast doubt on other claims. Hopefully we'll find out soon if this is one of those cases or not.

[Rain Man]

I stumbled across this article that expresses how I feel about this case in such a way that I couldn't better explain it myself:

Duke Rape Case All Too Common

Jim Kouri, CPP

December 18, 2006
In another twist in an already questionable criminal case, DNA testing in the infamous Duke lacrosse rape case found no genetic material from any of the accused males on the woman's body or on her clothing, but analysts found DNA from several unknown male on the accuser's body.

This finding directly contradicts reports that she did not engage in sex with anyone prior to or following her encounter with the three Duke students.

Prosecutors reportedly ordered the DNA testing after the state crime lab failed to find a conclusive match between the 27-year-old woman and any member of the Duke lacrosse team.

The most recent lab findings contradict earlier reports in which the accuser denied engaging in any sexual activity in the days before the alleged assault. The woman, who was hired as a stripper at a Duke lacrosse party in March, claims she was gang-raped by three team members in a bathroom.

The horror faced by three Duke University students is disturbingly common -- too common. But in the name of political correctness, few dare to question the validity of the rape charges for fear of becoming targeted by feminists and left-wing groups.

One brave man who dared to question the validity of rape complaints, and in fact searched for studies that gauged the number of false rape and sexual assault complaints, is Frank Zepezauer, who conducted research for the Institute for Psychological Therapies. In a paper for the IPT, Zepezauer shocked many when he delved into different studies on the subject of false rape complaints. He discovered, contrary to what's disseminated by the mainstream news media and feminist groups, that false sex crimes complaints are far from being rare.

One study Zepezauer looked at was conducted by the US Air Force Special Studies Division's Charles McDowell.

McDowell and his team of investigators studied 556 rape allegations. Of that total, 256 could not be conclusively verified as rape. That left 300 authenticated cases of which 220 were judged to be truthful and 80, or 27%, were judged as false.

In his report Charles McDowell stated that extra rigor was applied to the investigation of potentially false allegations. To be considered false one or more of the following criteria had to be met: the victim unequivocally admitted to the false allegation, indicated deception in a polygraph test, and provided a plausible recantation. Even by these strict standards, slightly more than one out of four rape charges were judged to be false, Zepesauer wrote in his IPT paper.

In another study, McDowell and his team recruited independent reviewers who were given 25 criteria derived from the profiles of the women who openly admitted making a false allegation. If all three reviewers agreed that the rape allegation was false, it was then listed by that description.

The result: 60% of the accusations were identified as false. McDowell also took his study outside the military by examining police files from a major midwestern city and a southwestern city. He found again that 60% of the claims of rape were false.


In another study Zepezauer looked at, this one by Behavioral Scientist Eugene Kanin, he reported on his findings at two large Midwestern state universities which covered a three-year period ending in 1988. The finding of the combined studies was that among a total of 64 reported rapes exactly 50% were false.

Kanin found these results significant because the women in the main report tended to gather in the lower socioeconomic levels, thus raising questions about correlations of false allegation with income and educational status. After checking figures gathered from university police departments, he therefore reported that "quite unexpectedly then, we find that these university women, when filing a rape complaint, were as likely to file a false as a valid charge."

In addition, Kanin cited still another source which supported findings of high frequency false allegations in the universities. On the basis of these studies, Kanin felt it reasonable to conclude that false rape accusations are more common than previously believed.

But feminists and left-wing activists will dismiss these studies as biased because men where involved. For instance, one feminist, Wendy Kaminer, stated that "it is a primary article of faith among many feminists that women don't lie about rape, ever; they lack the dishonesty gene." Anyone believing women lack a dishonesty gene never dated women. If they do lack that gene, then someone out there is performing miraculous surgery to implant that gene. What's so amazing about such statements is: they are not based on any scientific evidence -- it is a sexist premise.

John O'Sullivan, a left-wing social scientist, discovered a widespread defense of the belief that "no woman would fabricate a rape charge. Feminists themselves admit as much."

Law Professor and left-wing political activist Susan Estrich stated that "the whole effort at reforming rape laws has been an attack on the premise that women who bring complaints are suspect."

Zepezauer wrote that, "Some feminists believe that even defending that premise [of false rape complaints] is in itself a sex crime."

Well-known Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz once said that he was accused of sexual harassment by female students for discussing in class the mere possibility of false rape allegations.

Zepezauer concludes his indepth study with this: "Believing the self-proclaimed victim of sexual misconduct has thus evolved from ideological conviction to legal doctrine and, in some jurisdictions, into law. California now requires that jurors be explicitly told that a rape conviction can be based on the accuser's testimony alone, without corroboration. Canada is proposing that a man accused of rape must demonstrate that he received the willing consent of a sexual partner."

The studies cited by Frank Zepezauer correlate with this writer's experiences working on sex crimes case in New York. I found that about half of the cases were false complaints and, in fact, during intense interviewing, the women sometimes freely admitted and rationalized the bogus complaints.

The current case of the Duke University Three, who are facing rape charges based solely on the word of an intoxicated stripper and prostitute, is a perfect example of the dynamic of politics and political correctness outweighing justice.

This is an unjust situation we face within our justice system. False charges of rape hurt women who are indeed victims of predators, and they hurt men, such as the Duke lacrosse players who have had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend themselves against a woman who will pay little if anything for her deception.

Jim Kouri, CPP is fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and served in law enforcement for over 25 years. He writes for many police magazines such as Police Times. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc. His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com. His website is located at http://jimkouri.us

Link to article here

[NinjaPoodle]

I was just thinking about this case last night. Pitiful.

[TonyB06]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
No, I highly doubt they would have arrested an entire black Lacrosse team. I admit that they MIGHT have put a little more speed on the lab tests to get the DNA back so they could start making arrests.

And what do you suggest might have been the rationale for conducting the tests with "a little more speed" had the team been black?

[Gods Ivy]

I agree, if it is not about race why would you make that statement AlphaFrog?

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
I agree, if it is not about race why would you make that statement AlphaFrog?

Race can play a factor and not be the ENTIRE issue.