any "nice" conservatives out there?

[sugar and spice]

You guys, I can already tell this thread is going to be awesome.


Thanks for making my Thursday grrrreat!

[moe.ron]

3 - calling Al Franken's radio show "talk radio"

Is Al Franken talking during his radio show? If it isn't a talk radio show, what is it then?

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by non-greek newby
Just to respond to this and what KSig RC said: I honestly don't think I'm making pre-judgements about a group of people based on my interactions with a select few. I merely wanted to start a discussion about intolerance of people based on a particular political affilation.

-You know a number of conservatives "at your school", which I'm assuming is a very small number of conservatives. (note that for our purposes, even 2000 would be a small number)

-These people are isolated into one geographical area.

-You are correlating personality traits ("nice") with political beliefs or affiliation.

-You are then extending a subjective analysis of this small group's personality on all other people with the same political affiliation.

Before, I posted in a sarcastic fashion, for the sake of irony, as I am an economic conservative - however, I think it's clear that you are, at least in a sense, making a bizarre and unfair generalization here. There are plenty of kind conservatives, just as there are massive numbers of compassionate liberals. The ones that are the most vocal and 'in-your-face' are, at the same time, the least 'nice' and most recognizable . . . don't extend these peoples' personalities onto everyone. It's gross and unnecessary stereotyping.

-RC
--I'm taking this post in earnest, so if you're a sock puppet I'll be heated

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by KSig RC
I GIS'ed for "bitch please" and this is what I got:




So I think, to answer your questions, "No."

Now go to the poor house and save some trees, hippy.

This right here has made my Thursday too. LOLOLOLOL
Bless you Google Image Search.

[Honeykiss1974]

BTW....I'm a nice conservative.

***adjusting halo***

[alfuzzxi]

Originally posted by hoosier
The intolerance of the liberals, as demonstrated by the Democrats:

1 - not a single pro-life speaker at the Dem Convention
2 - believing anything Michael Moore says
3 - calling Al Franken's radio show "talk radio"
4 - blaming every failure of the welfare state on "not enough money, not enough staff, and not enough time"
5 - claiming the media is biased against liberals

Exactly!

It really confuses me why I am expected to completely ignore my own beliefs and opinions just so I can be tolerant of others. I am waiting for the day when a liberal will finally show a little tolerance towards my beliefs.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by alfuzzxi
Exactly!

It really confuses me why I am expected to completely ignore my own beliefs and opinions just so I can be tolerant of others. I am waiting for the day when a liberal will finally show a little tolerance towards my beliefs.

Why would you have to ignore your own beliefs to be tolerant of someone else's beliefs? That doesn't make sense.

[alfuzzxi]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Why would you have to ignore your own beliefs to be tolerant of someone else's beliefs? That doesn't make sense.

There are a million different examples I can use to try to explain myself but I'm sure that someone's probably going to react negatively. I'm really nervous about getting into a conversation like this b/c I got cornered into one like this last semester in one of my classes but here goes.......

For example....
I believe that I should be able to express by religious views anywhere, have the ability to pray wherever etc... but because I might offend someone I have to ignore my beliefs and be tolerant of someone elses. Why can't that person be tolerant of me and say i don't agree with you but we'll allow you to express your beliefs. But the reality is instead of allowing me to express my beliefs more laws are being made to eliminate me from expressing my beliefs or I'm only allowed to have

[kddani]

Time, place, and manner restrictions have always existed in this country, they're nothing new.

Curious about what you mean by "express your religious beliefs".

If you think you should have the right to run your mouth about your religous beliefs everywhere, why don't I have the right to quiet enjoyment of wherever we are without having to listen to you try to force your beliefs on others.

Conservatives have been putting time, place, and manner restrictions on viewpoints they don't agree with for many decades. But now that they're being applied to conservatives as well, all of the sudden they're not okay?

[alfuzzxi]

Originally posted by kddani

If you think you should have the right to run your mouth about your religous beliefs everywhere, why don't I have the right to quiet enjoyment of wherever we are without having to listen to you try to force your beliefs on others.

Well I don't "run my mouth" about my religious beliefs everywhere. I keep my beliefs to myself, but the point is that I should be able to live my beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me.

as far as examples of expressing religious beliefs...example... there are little kids who get in trouble if they are minding their own business and are praying at school.

My whole point is is that I shouldn't have to agree with anyone so I'll become more quote un quote tolerant. I would rather be labeled intolerant than be labeled as the type of person who would abandon their own beliefs and opinons just because someone didn't agree.

[kddani]

Originally posted by alfuzzxi
as far as examples of expressing religious beliefs...example... there are little kids who get in trouble if they are minding their own business and are praying at school.

Documentation please?

And has that happened to you?

Well I don't "run my mouth" about my religious beliefs everywhere. I keep my beliefs to myself, but the point is that I should be able to live my beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me.

Well then you don't make any sense whatsoever here. If you keep your beliefs to yourself, how aren't you allowed to live them? I'm confused.

And I also agree that we should all be able to live our beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me. And that includes conservative Christian beliefs.

That's the beauty of time, place, and manner restrictions are a good thing.

You want it both ways:
You first say that "I should be able to express by religious views anywhere, have the ability to pray wherever etc"

But then you say "I should be able to live my beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me."

So you think that you should be able to express YOUR beliefs however/whenever you feel but that others that don't share your beliefs shouldn't be able to?

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Originally posted by alfuzzxi
There are a million different examples I can use to try to explain myself but I'm sure that someone's probably going to react negatively. I'm really nervous about getting into a conversation like this b/c I got cornered into one like this last semester in one of my classes but here goes.......

For example....
I believe that I should be able to express by religious views anywhere, have the ability to pray wherever etc... but because I might offend someone I have to ignore my beliefs and be tolerant of someone elses. Why can't that person be tolerant of me and say i don't agree with you but we'll allow you to express your beliefs. But the reality is instead of allowing me to express my beliefs more laws are being made to eliminate me from expressing my beliefs or I'm only allowed to have

You should come to NYC because you can pray on the subway or the street out loud. People will either ignore you or look at you like you're crazy, but most people won't stop you unless a police officer asks you to move it along. I'm not joking. It happens all the time on the subway.

[non-greek newby]

Originally posted by KSig RC
-You know a number of conservatives "at your school", which I'm assuming is a very small number of conservatives. (note that for our purposes, even 2000 would be a small number)

-These people are isolated into one geographical area.

-You are correlating personality traits ("nice") with political beliefs or affiliation.

-You are then extending a subjective analysis of this small group's personality on all other people with the same political affiliation.

Before, I posted in a sarcastic fashion, for the sake of irony, as I am an economic conservative - however, I think it's clear that you are, at least in a sense, making a bizarre and unfair generalization here. There are plenty of kind conservatives, just as there are massive numbers of compassionate liberals. The ones that are the most vocal and 'in-your-face' are, at the same time, the least 'nice' and most recognizable . . . don't extend these peoples' personalities onto everyone. It's gross and unnecessary stereotyping.

-RC
--I'm taking this post in earnest, so if you're a sock puppet I'll be heated

First, I'd like to apologize for the title of this post or how it may have been worded. I didn't want this conversation to end up being about whether conservatives are nice or not -- that would be absurd. Instead, I wanted to discuss tolerance issues that people may have in regards to political affiliation -- despite whether you're liberal or conservative. Thankfully, it's turning more into that and am beginning to enjoy some of your comments.

Finally, I'd like to say that I don't think all conservatives are unkind. In fact, there are some pretty nasty liberals around here as well. But I've seen more examples of this intolerance from conservatives on this campus. This could be because they are such a small minority and feel apprehensive towards a constant bombardment of liberal ideals in this area. I don't know. But I would like to know if anyone feels like this on their campus.

p.s. I did take this post seriously and am not a sock puppet -- whatever that means.

[MTSUGURL]

Originally posted by kddani


You want it both ways:
You first say that "I should be able to express by religious views anywhere, have the ability to pray wherever etc"

But then you say "I should be able to live my beliefs without others trying to force their beliefs on me."

So you think that you should be able to express YOUR beliefs however/whenever you feel but that others that don't share your beliefs shouldn't be able to?

I agree with you in a way. The problem is that each side wants its way without having to give the other side theirs too. There will always be laws/people/opposing views that place constraints on me. The only thing that gives me the freedom to speak openly anywhere about my faith with you is that you have the freedom to tell me to stop trying to force my beliefs on you.

The rights of the people who disagree with you are what guarantees your own rights. Did I make any sense? I've been awake for a very long time...

[MTSUGURL]

Originally posted by non-greek newby
First, I'd like to apologize for the title of this post or how it may have been worded. I didn't want this conversation to end up being about whether conservatives are nice or not -- that would be absurd. Instead, I wanted to discuss tolerance issues that people may have in regards to political affiliation -- despite whether you're liberal or conservative. Thankfully, it's turning more into that and am beginning to enjoy some of your comments.

Finally, I'd like to say that I don't think all conservatives are unkind. In fact, there are some pretty nasty liberals around here as well. But I've seen more examples of this intolerance from conservatives on this campus. This could be because they are such a small minority and feel apprehensive towards a constant bombardment of liberal ideals in this area. I don't know. But I would like to know if anyone feels like this on their campus.

p.s. I did take this post seriously and am not a sock puppet -- whatever that means.

I'm not speaking for all conservatives here, so don't take this as a blanket statement or reason.

Tolerance or agreement? This is a line that can sometimes be very blurry, and for that reason, some conservatives may err on the side of holding on to what they value.
I will always tolerate someone's right to make a choice that I may vehemently oppose, but that doesn't mean I agree with the choice they're making.

As my friend said at a rally on campus a few years ago: "I'm tolerant. I'm tolerating that protestor's sign right now."