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Old 06-25-2002, 10:39 AM
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okay i just got into this post at the last moment but i did watch the show last night and have a few thoughts.

i believe the reason mtv decided to do this "documentry" (and i use that term lightly) is because showing pledges going through the process has more entertainment value (real world-esque) than just showing the day to day life of a sorority woman. its to be expected that things will be a little scandalous and i am sure by the end of the pledge period there will be one or two who drop out.

i wouldnt expect the worst. i watched the show with several non-greek friends and it was just another real world show to them.
there are stereotypes associated with every group. there will always be some people who think jocks are dumb or cheerleaders are easy or people in the band are nerds. its just life. if you can set an example of how great being greek is to everyone around you, the stereotypes can be changed.

overall, cool show, cool sisters, and somewhat sketchy pledges. i will definately tune in again!
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Old 06-25-2002, 11:09 AM
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I would be interesting to know (and we may never) if some or all of the pledges are, in fact, MTV "ringers."

That would certainly be one way of advancing intrigue and control the storyline, wouldn't it?

And, (trying very hard not to sound sexist) while there are some very attractive active sisters, the "pledges," for the most part are pretty good looking women. Did MTV recruit them?

I also wonder if it is normal to have men at a rush event, or if that is an MTV invention. Rules certainly could be different at UCD.

I think 33girl was pretty well right on target for the reason for the "pledge house." It is also an easy way to segregate the "PNM's" and could allow MTV to shape the storyline without having the actives around all of the time to interfere. I mean, why in heaven's name would you allow (let alone force) a group that is supposed to be learning about the sorority live together pretty much without supervision. Isn't that asking for acrimony? Not only between the pledges -- who hardly know each other, let alone the actives -- but also with the chapter itself? And, doesn't it invite breaking of the rules? I think you could start to see that storyline develop, particularly in the tease video for the next show.

We'll see.

Finally, while I still think allowing this videotaping was a mistake, I'm really pleased, for the most part (nobody's perfect) with the way the Sigma sisters handled themselves. They came off to me as women who care deeply about their organization.
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Old 06-25-2002, 11:09 AM
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I was mildly pleasntly suprised. Of course I had a few reservations ans concerns:

1). When asked "What makes you different form the other sororities on campus?" I believe these girls had an obligation to let everyone know that they were local, not a part of NPC, and a bit of their history - for the viewers. Just saying that they were a jewish interest sorority - and making it sould like that was the ONLY difference is like saying the difference between night and day was negligable. (I am talking about systems here not the religion thing, some parts of the country they're all practically jewish interest orgs, my org as well) Its a HUGE difference, especially to the NPC affilliated gals. Remember, its the NPC girls that will have to do all the explaining away come this fall and recruitment, not the SAEPi gals.

2) Boys at rush. We dont have girls at rush. Its a crutch. Sell your org during that time, if you need a crutch; members of the opposite sex, you need to re-evaluate and work on your recruitment skills.

3) Rush skits / games. I dont think it was very clear that those were only games...I think MTV spun it as "the sterotypes" when the SAEPi girls were mocking those stereotypes and trying to say thats not what greek life is about. Not a big deal, but I think thats what I was concerned with when I was mentioning how MTV would spin stuff.

Overall it wasnt bad. I think a few pledges were rude and disrespectful, but maybe thats what MTV was going for. I dunno.

The funny part is that all of us collectively were glued to our TV's during that time, and I was imagining EVERY other GCer glued to their TV's as well, and how dead the boards had to be for that hour. lol.

One of the funniest things out of this is a picture in my minds eye of DeltAlum fighting Mrs DeltAlum and the kids for the remote, saying he just had to watch MTV. I am sure the looks in the Alum house that must have gotten! haha lol. ya know I love ya, bro.
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Old 06-25-2002, 11:14 AM
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As i said I liked the show. It was like watching the Real World.

I really liked the Miss Sigma USA pageant. I thought that was cute (how can you not laugh at a toliet bowl brush for a mic and a plunger from a 1st runner up crown).

I will be watching the series because I do want to know why that one girl (I forgot her name) is leaving the pledge house.

I'm just glad that I waited to watch the show before making harsh, rude opinions about it.
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Old 06-25-2002, 11:21 AM
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Okay, this is what I don't understand. They are a Jewish sorority! That's what they were founded on! And, I'd be willing to bet that their founders were all Jewish as well! The star of David is on their coat of arms (crest)! So, why in the world would you want to be in a Jewish-related sorority if you're not Jewish? That makes no sense to me...it would be like if I wanted to join a Latin-American or Asian-American sorority...I'm Caucasan...to me it just doesn't make sense!

Also, I have a problem with the whole "Rush parties" (it's called Recruitment!) The games they played seemed a little intimidating...although I'm sure that they took volunteers. And, I don't remember who said it, but the comment on why the girls got "gussied up" for the "rush parties"? I'm not sure if everyone does this, but when I went through Recruitment in 2000, we had a list of what to wear everynight! (The potential new members, I mean). So, why in the world wouldn't they get "gussied up"?

Here's my other question...are the NPC sororites recruiting at the same time as the Sigmas? Just a thought...

I can't wait 'til next weeks episode!

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Old 06-25-2002, 11:29 AM
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"One of the funniest things out of this is a picture in my minds eye of DeltAlum fighting Mrs DeltAlum and the kids for the remote, saying he just had to watch MTV. I am sure the looks in the Alum house that must have gotten! haha lol. ya know I love ya, bro."

Hey Life!

That's a pretty funny mental picture!

Unfortunately, (or more likely, fortunately) Mrs. DeltAlum was sitting in a hot tub with her "mom's night out" group which meets once a month, and son, the only one left at home is competing in a national vocal competition out of state.

So, old Brother Alum was sitting by himself watching the antics.

Thanks for thinking of me, though.
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Old 06-25-2002, 12:35 PM
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Strange that this just occurred to me.

Not that anyone has ever called my cynical, but:

I was surprized that so many of the PNM's were Junior and Senior level (They called them 3rd and 4th year, I think), and at least 21 years old.

You don't suppose that MTV planted them so that they could do alcohol scenes without being charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor do you?

Nah, they wouldn't do that, would they?
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Old 06-25-2002, 12:43 PM
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Strange that this just occurred to me.

Not that anyone has ever called my cynical, but:

I was surprized that so many of the PNM's were Junior and Senior level (They called them 3rd and 4th year, I think), and at least 21 years old.

You don't suppose that MTV planted them so that they could do alcohol scenes without being charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor do you?

Nah, they wouldn't do that, would they?
Noooooo! MTV???????? They would NEVER do something so devious. Their real life shows are nothing short of perfect -- pure paragons of virtue and truth. How dare you even suggest such a thing, DeltAlum???
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Old 06-25-2002, 01:09 PM
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Was somewhat pleasantly surprised at the show, too... but I have one question. How are the other greek groups reacting to this at Davis? Will we see any footage of the rest of the greek system? I wonder how this will/has impacted recruitment for other groups (and Sigmas in the future).
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Old 06-25-2002, 01:32 PM
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ok, so i was at lunch at this restaurant with my fiance and i over heard this group of rather young women talking about the show (my fiance rolled his eyes) and they were talking about the "pledge"house, and how the rules should have been told to the new members before they moved in. they were way to naive to realize that there were rules that they would have to follow! plus, do all the other new members have to follow the same rules, like no drinking in the house and stuff like that? BC if they don't that that would be considered hazing...you know making up some rules that only certain members have to follow.
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Old 06-25-2002, 02:12 PM
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Juniors and seniors in a pledge class isn't odd in and of itself especially at schools where the Greek system isn't huge. We had juniors in every semester's pledge class when I was in school and also seniors. Considering 4 years is not the norm anymore, it's not surprising.

I think the Sigmas though, felt like there were some of the older girls that would never have come out had it not been for the cameras. I don't think MTV had to bother asking people to come out. There are enough hams out there ready willing and able .

Since this is the first time they had a pledge house, they're going to have to plan some things quickly - cut them some slack. They never said that the pledges can't drink, they just cannot do it in the pledge house. Same rules as a regular sorority house. I would assume if the other pledges come over or stay over, they have to follow the rules, just as sisters who live out of the house do when they come to the house.
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Old 06-25-2002, 02:21 PM
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The more I think about the PNMs and people talk about them on here, the more I think that MTV had to have some kind of influence on either who came to the parties or who they gave bids to. Like DeltAlum said it's a little too convenient that all the girls are over 21. I know that we get so many freshman and sophmores and never get a class that's all "old" like that. Just seems like the sorority was set up for problems. Especially with the preview for next week's.

My other concern is with the creator. On the SAEPi Website there's a letter from Mara that says...
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And finally, the creator of Sorority Life was Greek himself and wanted to portray Greek life in a more positive light than has been typical of mainstream media.
I guess I'm just wondering if he's really Greek. I can understand that he wants Greek Life to be viewed better by the rest of the world, but at the same time, I don't know many Greeks that would make a TV show for MTV as the best way of doing it. Especially with someone else's GLO. I have great respect for my letters and what they mean. I know that other GLO's feel the same way, so I wouldn't dare take something that meaningful to someone else or myself, and have the possibility that it could make their GOL or mine look bad.
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Old 06-25-2002, 02:33 PM
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Okay, this is what I don't understand. They are a Jewish sorority! That's what they were founded on! And, I'd be willing to bet that their founders were all Jewish as well! The star of David is on their coat of arms (crest)! So, why in the world would you want to be in a Jewish-related sorority if you're not Jewish? That makes no sense to me...it would be like if I wanted to join a Latin-American or Asian-American sorority...I'm Caucasan...to me it just doesn't make sense!

Also, I have a problem with the whole "Rush parties" (it's called Recruitment!) The games they played seemed a little intimidating...although I'm sure that they took volunteers. And, I don't remember who said it, but the comment on why the girls got "gussied up" for the "rush parties"? I'm not sure if everyone does this, but when I went through Recruitment in 2000, we had a list of what to wear everynight! (The potential new members, I mean). So, why in the world wouldn't they get "gussied up"?

Here's my other question...are the NPC sororites recruiting at the same time as the Sigmas? Just a thought...

I can't wait 'til next weeks episode!

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I think you and I are sharing a brain!! I totally couldn't understand why the girls who weren't Jewish and knew nothing about it wanted to be in a Jewish-interest sorority!!

And about whomever was complaining about the PNM's( I screamed at the TV everytime they called them pledges) who got "gussied" up for Recruitment-I was like, what is that? When I rushed(back when it was called that) we all got dressed up! No way would I have gone in jeans, like some of the girls on the show did! To me, thats underdressed.

I would, however, like to know what the other sororities at Davis are thinking about all this.
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Old 06-25-2002, 02:52 PM
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Okay, this is what I don't understand. They are a Jewish sorority! That's what they were founded on! And, I'd be willing to bet that their founders were all Jewish as well! The star of David is on their coat of arms (crest)! So, why in the world would you want to be in a Jewish-related sorority if you're not Jewish? That makes no sense to me...it would be like if I wanted to join a Latin-American or Asian-American sorority...I'm Caucasan...to me it just doesn't make sense!
I also think it was weird that girls who knew absolutely nothing about Judaism were interested in SAEPi. It's not simply b/c they were non-Jewish...it's b/c the way recruitment was handled, these potential new members had to rely on word of mouth or someone they knew to go to those recruitment parties. You have to wonder why a number of non-Jewish women went out of their way and sought out SAEPi. I mean, there's the chance they knew some girls in the house or just had good views of the house, but...I don't know. Looks like they're trying to get their 15 minutes.

If they had a formal recruitment where the ladies visited all the sororities, I think it would've fine for non-Jewish women to be interested in SAEPi b/c that means of all the houses, they felt the most comfortable there, not making religion an issue. Their interest wouldn't have been under suspicion.

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Old 06-25-2002, 03:34 PM
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And about whomever was complaining about the PNM's( I screamed at the TV everytime they called them pledges) who got "gussied" up for Recruitment-I was like, what is that? When I rushed(back when it was called that) we all got dressed up! No way would I have gone in jeans, like some of the girls on the show did! To me, thats underdressed.
The way they were dressed is probably a regional thing. At some schools, rush is a life-and-death business. At others, it's a blip on the horizon. Besides, the Sigmas didn't seem to be very dressed up either.
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