Tiers of the Big 12

[banditone]

Macallan / EW, I'm interested in your thoughts. I think highly of greek life at the top 4 I have listed here, for sure. I have no respect for Tech's setup, but I put them pretty high due to what I have 'heard' about their fraternities strength on campus.

Texas
Kansas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Nebraska
Missouri
Texas Tech
Iowa State
Kansas State
Texas A&M
Baylor
Colorado

[Lucky SC]

lol its spreading

[macallan25]

Kind of hard for me to comment to be honest. I have never visited KState, Iowa State, or Nebraska (well, I've been to some football games in Lincoln but didn't spend any time with the greeks.) I've spent some time at CU-Boulder but was only around one fraternity. It's just a different environment up there. Lot of fun though. If you can't have fun in Boulder something is wrong with you.

I'm really just throwing this out there:

Texas
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
Kansas
Missouri
A&M
Baylor
Okie Lite
Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas State, Iowa State

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Kind of hard for me to comment to be honest. I have never visited KState, Iowa State, or Nebraska (well, I've been to some football games in Lincoln but didn't spend any time with the greeks.) I've spent some time at CU-Boulder but was only around one fraternity. It's just a different environment up there. Lot of fun though. If you can't have fun in Boulder something is wrong with you.

I'm really just throwing this out there:

Texas
Oklahoma
Texas Tech
Kansas
Missouri
A&M
Baylor
Okie Lite
Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas State, Iowa State

co-sign.

Though Okie Lite below Kansas? I don't know. Oklahoma St. seems to be the equivalent of Miss St. to Ole Miss. So it's proper, perhaps.

After having visiting brothers from the bottom tier there...they are deservedly bottom tier. I can't imagine any of them getting into a good chapter at the UofA, much less anywhere else

[oldu]

Are you sure you are not ranking these schools on your experience with your own fraternity? Sometimes if your own fraternity is not up to your standards you tend to assume that is true of all fraternities at that institution. Several chapters at Kansas State and Nebraska have won awards from their fraternities...especially Kansas State which appears to have a very strong Greek system.

[banditone]

KSU and OSU are pretty strong in my opinion. I put CU so low because they have no university backing. I'm pretty sure the University doesn't acknowledge the fraternity system there or something (no IFC).

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by oldu

Are you sure you are not ranking these schools on your experience with your own fraternity? Sometimes if your own fraternity is not up to your standards you tend to assume that is true of all fraternities at that institution. Several chapters at Kansas State and Nebraska have won awards from their fraternities...especially Kansas State which appears to have a very strong Greek system.

Yep, I'm sure. I don't really have any experience with my own fraternity with any of those schools except for A&M, Tech, Oklahoma, and Baylor. However, I will say that SAE is very strong at all of those.

Like I said, I put KState, Nebraska, Iowa State and Colorado all together because I have zero experience with their Greeks. I will say though, that just because a chapter wins awards doesn't mean that they should automatically be considered one of the tops.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by banditone

KSU and OSU are pretty strong in my opinion. I put CU so low because they have no university backing. I'm pretty sure the University doesn't acknowledge the fraternity system there or something (no IFC).

Yeah that is true about CU. Forgot about that. I just really disliked OSU when I went up there. Stillwater is just a bad college town, in my opinion. Sorry to offend anyone if they go/went there. Just thought it was boring. I have a buddy in Sigma Nu there though, and from all indications they were a very strong house, probably the best on campus......and the only house it seemed to have the type of guys that you would find at your good Souther greek schools.

[Tom Earp]

I was not aware that each of The Big XII schools had excellent Chapters of certain GLOs at each and everyone of them.

I just wonder if this is not true in any and all big conferences?

Is LXA,SAE, KA, KS, SX, SN, BTP, Etal on every campus in these conferences?

Maybe someone should check and find out.

[tallgreekalum]

Originally Posted by banditone

KSU and OSU are pretty strong in my opinion. I put CU so low because they have no university backing. I'm pretty sure the University doesn't acknowledge the fraternity system there or something (no IFC).

There IS an IFC at CU, it's just that the system as a whole withdrew from University recognition over some new regulations (I think it was deferred rush, but I'm not sure)

[BigRedBeta]

As a Big 12 Greek (Nebraska Alum, grew up in Kansas City and have a ton of friends at both KU and K-state, have visited OU, OSU, ISU, KU and KSU - the last two many times, met several CU greeks through various means...).

I'd also say that throughout the conference, there is a lot of quality, and actually splitting out the schools is requiring me to look at a lot of factors. There's not a lot of difference between #3 and #7, and there are plenty of reasons why a school could be higher or lower than I have them.


First "tier"
Texas (but from the few people I've talked to there, it's a stagnant system and losing ground)
OU - simply impressive, great numbers, great chapters, good environment
Mizzou - amazing history, chapter houses are phenomenal, benefit from having KCMO and STL to draw from along with Springfield.

Second tier:

K-State - gets the edge over Nebraska because of more houses being wet still - Manhattan sucks though
Nebraska - Greeks here get their shit done - dominate GDI's in grades and campus leaders, party well despite having to go off campus
OSU - similar to OU, but just not as good,
Kansas - Lawrence is a fun place, but there's a lot anti-greek hatred. Many greeks I know won't wear their letters on campus. Sororities are definitely farther along than many of the fraternities. There's a lot of ultimate frisbee played at KU.

Third Tier:
Texas Tech - Has to be better than A&M right?
TAMU - has to overcome the nutjobs in the Corps
Baylor - it's a religious school
ISU - the kids that aren't cool enough to go to Iowa end up at ISU. Ames is a hell hole. The ISU greeks I've met from a number of different houses just are huge nerds across the board.
CU - There's a reason why the Pac-10 has been rumored to secretly wish CU would join their conference - definitely more of a west coast hippie/surfer vibe than any thing else. I respect that their IFC has gone it alone without University recognition, but that's not a very good position to be in.

[macallan25]

"Stagnant system and losing ground".

What?

I'm gonna need an explanation on that.


.....and I'm sorry, but putting Tech third tier is dumb.

[ComradesTrue]

Originally Posted by BigRedBeta

TAMU - has to overcome the nutjobs in the Corps

Giggle.

(with apologies to aggieaxo)

[KenUDiggit]

Macallan did you go to Texas Tech?

[macallan25]

Texas