Republicans are happier than Dems

[KDAngel]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020701904.html

I've been meaning to post this for a week or so now, but have been busy. It's funny, when you think about it's so spot on and I think both sides of the aisle would admit it. Of course it'd be harder to do so as an Democrat, but I think a of the statements are undeniable, especially the stuff about higher degrees...

(Oh, and this is by no means an attack on the Democratic Party, just me saying that I agree with the statistics and the article's reasoning.)

[DSTCHAOS]

I'm an Independent and I hope that people who are married to either party can read such studies and not get emotional.

What's interesting is that they controlled for income and still found that Repubs are happier (the direction of the correlation and whether it's correlation or causation is undetermined).

The church attendance and power factors are interesting as part of an explanation. I would always rather read this study in its entirety than read a journalist account on Washington Post.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Do you know what the definition of "liberal" is?

According to Dictionary.com, it's someone that's "favorable to progress or reform." Oh, and it also means generous, but that's beside my point. If so many democrats are "liberal," by definition they are not happy with the way things are - they want change. If one believes that there's always room for progress and that we shouldn't be happy with just what's "good enough," it doesn't surprise me that liberal democrats would be described as less happy than republicans.

I've never really understood how/why liberal came to be associated with BAD. In my mind, being liberal is a pretty good thing. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal or http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal

In any case, "happy" is a very non-descript word that can lead to all kinds of theories in this case.

[DSTCHAOS]

That's an interesting way of looking at it based on definition. It makes sense and the article touched on that with the "ignorance is bliss" perception and how Dems may pay closer attention to politics and social conditions than Repubs.

This is all with the dichotomized version of Dem/Repub and lib/conserv. Of course it doesn't always work so simplistically.

Liberal has been associated with BAD because of some of the agendas that liberals have allowed to be at the forefront. Also, extreme liberals have kind of been like tree hugging hippies who feel like anything goes because certain standards and values are based solely on "elite class snobbery."

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Do you know what the definition of "liberal" is?

According to Dictionary.com, it's someone that's "favorable to progress or reform." Oh, and it also means generous, but that's beside my point. If so many democrats are "liberal," by definition they are not happy with the way things are - they want change. If one believes that there's always room for progress and that we shouldn't be happy with just what's "good enough," it doesn't surprise me that liberal democrats would be described as less happy than republicans.

I've never really understood how/why liberal came to be associated with BAD. In my mind, being liberal is a pretty good thing. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal or http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberal

In any case, "happy" is a very non-descript word that can lead to all kinds of theories in this case.

This obviously hinges on the belief that what "liberals" in this country are pursuing is "progress." Millions see it as efforts to degrade traditional values and capitalistic economic policy.

But if you break it down to the idea that liberals are simply always chasing after something, seeking some sort of reform, that could be a factor. I thought the article mentioned something along those lines, actually.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

This obviously hinges on the belief that what "liberals" in this country are pursuing is "progress." Millions see it as efforts to degrade traditional values and capitalistic economic policy.

Indeed. That's why these categories are more complex than liberal and conservative. There are different extremes.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

But if you break it down to the idea that liberals are simply always chasing after something, seeking some sort of reform, that could be a factor. I thought the article mentioned something along those lines, actually.

It did and explained it as Dems paying more attention to politics and society, in general.

[KSig RC]

THIS JUST IN: RICH PEOPLE HAPPIER THAN POOR PEOPLE

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

THIS JUST IN: RICH PEOPLE HAPPIER THAN POOR PEOPLE

Not necessarily and this study controlled for income.

[PhiGam]

Liberalism is idealism and conservatism is realism. We need a mixture of the two if we are going to remain the best country in the world.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Democrats are more likely to be idealists who can't be happy until there is food in every mouth, a roof over every head, and a shirt on every back.

I know, right? Psshht. Selfish bastards, when, oh when, will they stop wasting time crying about kids going hungry at night?

I know, let's mail out a pair of rose-colored-glasses along with everyone's "economic stimulus check", then everyone will be able to see that things are just hunky-dory and join the "fat and happy" herd. (of elephants)

[shinerbock]

There is certainly nothing wrong unattainable goals. The difference, at least in from my political vantage point, is the approach.

Very few conservatives are fundamentally against helping people, we just don't want to do it in a way that creates irresponsibility or establishes an expectation of entitlement. It goes both ways, as too much government interference takes the responsibility off of Americans to care for other people.

Many will dispute this, but I think many conservatives place an emphasis on self-direction and personal responsibility, which enables happiness, at least in my experience. Knowledge or belief that you're in control of your own existence encourages both effort and continual hope.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I agree with shinerblock and DST.
Democrats are more likely to be idealists who can't be happy until there is food in every mouth, a roof over every head, and a shirt on every back. Don't forget world peace.

The numbers do make sense. Yet another reason to support the GOP!

I hope you don't think you're agreeing with me here.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Liberalism is idealism and conservatism is realism. We need a mixture of the two if we are going to remain the best country in the world.

Here here! I've been preaching this for years.

I don't agree with the "idealism" and "realism" categorization, though. Conservativism is a great deal of "idealism" because you have to have your head at least a little up your own ass, and think the world revolves around you and yours, to support a lot of the conservative agenda. But the reality of the matter is that the world doesn't revolve around you and yours and that it is stinky to have your head up your own ass.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Actually doing something productive to help with some of these causes is very different than wanting it. If I have to hear one more thing about Darfur, I think I might vomit.

And I wasn't saying that these causes are a waste of time, just that it's not feasible to please everyone, which is why democrats are less happy than republicans.

My chapter raises more money for philanthropies than any other Kappa Sigma chapter in the US. We donated over $40,000 last year to Children's Miracle Network and Shand's Children's Hospital. We also raised several thousand dollars for the March of Dimes. Believe me, republicans do know about the less fortunate, and are more than willing to do what it takes to help a cause that CAN BENEFIT FROM OUR HELP.

Yep. There's a difference between productivity and trendy rhetoric. That's why I look at a lot of things critically because some people are genuinely and consistently productive and others are just jumping on one bandwagon after another. Darfur is a trendy bandwagon for some people and for others it isn't.

Democrats and liberals actually aren't trying to please everyone. Extremists are. Democrats and liberals are trying to lessen the social and class divide (that a lot of people unfortunately celebrate as if it's a sign of objective wealth) and higher taxes is one way that that is feasible.

It's great that your chapter does that. I know that Conservatives and Repubs don't ignore the less fortunate--whatever that means at any given time, as long as the haves and have nots don't get too blurred. However, your chapter's fund raising doesn't compare to the millions needed for national and local programs. Fundraisers don't cut it but higher taxes are frowned upon.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Very few conservatives are fundamentally against helping people, we just don't want to do it in a way that creates irresponsibility or establishes an expectation of entitlement. It goes both ways, as too much government interference takes the responsibility off of Americans to care for other people.

There is great irony here because for every person who comes from wealth and earns their keep, there are those who did not actually earn anything, are irresponsible, and have a sense of entitlement. But it's okay because they are wealthy so they can't really harm society through immorality or anything else, right? There have always been government breaks for the wealthy (also known as Wealthfare) but when it comes to creating equilibrium in the form of social welfare programs, people are suddenly critical of "lazy people" and want the government not to intervene.

Coming from money is only as cool as the people who don't abuse it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I was agreeing with the statement you made above!

You took it somewhere else, though.