Media dropped the ball on this one

PiKA2001 · #1 10-03-2007, 12:04 AM

I'm really disappointed in the local government and news agencies for trying to cover this one up. You would think in a post VT world, people would be more concerned with having a nut running around with an automatic rifle than Britney Spears walking in a bathroom barefoot. I heard about this incident a week after the arrest from a friend, even though I myself read the Detroit news sites daily, and after several different google searches the only hits I get are from anti-terror sites. From what I heard (rumor of course, this is being covered up due to the close proximity of Sep 11) is that crazy wanted to bring his AK-47 to campus. According to my buddy who still goes to Wayne State the majority of the student body is oblivious to this incident.

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/ne...mpus-jihadist/

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/h...in-dearborn-mi

DeltAlum · #2 10-03-2007, 01:15 AM

While local media outlets may have dropped the ball by not uncovering this story (and local law enforcement or someone else would have had to tell them about it), I don't think that it's necessarily a "cover up."

Why do you use that term?

Drolefille · #3 10-03-2007, 11:55 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296865,00.html

From 9/14/07

Google News search brings up other articles from the 13th (the day your links were posted) through the present ranging on the fact that the judge ordered an examination and his motivations for his actions.

How precisely is that a cover up? I really wouldn't trust a student's awareness on a lot of things. I tried to keep informed in college but I wasn't always successful, particularly on more local issues, as this was. (Is the Wayne University medical school on the same campus as the rest of the University?)

It appears that the sites you posted found it in their best interest to claim that no other sites were covering this issue.

Plus those sites are very... whats the word... fear-centric. This guy claims to be part of Hezbollah so they jump to the possible conclusion that Hezbollah ordered the attack instead of the same thing that happened previously with other "would be terrorists." They find a name, a group, that they like, but the group doesn't know who the hell they are.

PM_Mama00 · #4 10-03-2007, 07:46 PM

Holy shit Rick I never heard that story! This is something that all the colleges around the area should have known about.

eta: that second link isn't working for me.

PiKA2001 · #5 10-04-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296865,00.html

(Is the Wayne University medical school on the same campus as the rest of the University?)

It appears that the sites you posted found it in their best interest to claim that no other sites were covering this issue.

Plus those sites are very... whats the word... fear-centric. This guy claims to be part of Hezbollah so they jump to the possible conclusion that Hezbollah ordered the attack instead of the same thing that happened previously with other "would be terrorists." They find a name, a group, that they like, but the group doesn't know who the hell they are.

The Med school is across the street from the main campus. And for the "fear-centric" links I posted, well thats exactly my point. Where was channel 7 ACTION news or the Detroit Free Press??

Drolefille · #6 10-04-2007, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

The Med school is across the street from the main campus. And for the "fear-centric" links I posted, well thats exactly my point. Where was channel 7 ACTION news or the Detroit Free Press??

I don't know about either specific news outlet, but you'd have to look at the police blotter to find out what the local journalists knew... perhaps it wasn't nearly as interesting on paper. BUT there were several real news outlets with the story on the 13th. Just because you didn't hear about it then, doesn't mean it's covered up.

Your links are biased sources of information... telling people that the information isn't out there, and that there's a "cover up" only serves their purposes

DeltAlum · #7 10-04-2007, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

The Med school is across the street from the main campus. And for the "fear-centric" links I posted, well thats exactly my point. Where was channel 7 ACTION news or the Detroit Free Press??

So, once again, it's possible some local news agencies missed a story, but how does that make it a "cover up?"

PM_Mama00 · #8 10-04-2007, 02:11 AM

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So, once again, it's possible some local news agencies missed a story, but how does that make it a "cover up?"

It happens A LOT in this area, especially when it has something to do with universities. Take a look at the rape/murder that happened at Eastern Michigan. Why didn't the campus know this was going on? The news actually uncovered it and it was the first time for many of the students to hear it. Campus was trying to cover up. There have apparently also been rapes on my alma mater's campus, but they don't report them because they don't want to create a fear. I was pretty upset when I didn't hear about that one.

I also think this is an important topic that the news and other sources should have let out because of the area that we live in. There are terrorists everywhere but to know that you could be sitting next to one in your next class is scary. If this were my school, I'd be pissed if they didn't inform the students. We already knew that we were among possible terrorists in our classes. But in this area, especially Dearborn where my school is and it's 99% Middle Eastern (I made up that percentage, but it's probably close), these types of things should be let out, and I have a feeling that it was covered up. News resources would have been all over this.

SydneyK · #9 10-04-2007, 12:54 PM

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But in this area... it's 99% Middle Eastern (I made up that percentage, but it's probably close), these types of things should be let out, and I have a feeling that it was covered up. News resources would have been all over this.

I'm certainly not in the know when it comes to the media in your area, but perhaps it was not covered for fear of accusations of (unjustified) racial profiling, and not because it was a "cover up". Just because an area has a high percentage of Middle Easterners doesn't mean it therefore has a high percentage of terrorists.

DeltAlum · #10 10-04-2007, 08:23 PM

The way I read PIKA's first post, he was saying that the institution and the media were somehow covering this up.

There's a difference between the two.

I can understand a university trying to hush something up, but this is the kind of stuff that media jump all over.

I can't imagine Channel 7 (WXYZ-TV), any of the other stations or The Free Press knowing about this and not reporting it.

There's just no sense to that.

PM_Mama00 · #11 10-05-2007, 09:04 AM

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I'm certainly not in the know when it comes to the media in your area, but perhaps it was not covered for fear of accusations of (unjustified) racial profiling, and not because it was a "cover up". Just because an area has a high percentage of Middle Easterners doesn't mean it therefore has a high percentage of terrorists.

Since 2001, they've busted plenty of sleeper cells or whatever they're called. There are known terrorists at UMD who are members of the Muslim Student Association. And they've found a lot of suspicious happenings that deal with money. That's not a profiling... it's true and fact and if I had the time to look up all the stories online I would.

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The way I read PIKA's first post, he was saying that the institution and the media were somehow covering this up.

There's a difference between the two.

I can understand a university trying to hush something up, but this is the kind of stuff that media jump all over.

I can't imagine Channel 7 (WXYZ-TV), any of the other stations or The Free Press knowing about this and not reporting it.

There's just no sense to that.

They would definitely uncover the story if they knew about it. I'm just curious how they didn't find out about this because all of the Detroit media investigative teams are amazing.

KSig RC · #12 10-05-2007, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Since 2001, they've busted plenty of sleeper cells or whatever they're called. There are known terrorists at UMD who are members of the Muslim Student Association. And they've found a lot of suspicious happenings that deal with money. That's not a profiling... it's true and fact and if I had the time to look up all the stories online I would.

Cite?

SydneyK · #13 10-05-2007, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Since 2001, they've busted plenty of sleeper cells or whatever they're called. There are known terrorists at UMD who are members of the Muslim Student Association. And they've found a lot of suspicious happenings that deal with money. That's not a profiling... it's true and fact and if I had the time to look up all the stories online I would.

I wasn't saying it necessarily WAS profiling; I was simply offering a reason as to why it might not have been covered. It sounds like I was wrong (although, as KSigRC said, a cite would be nice).

PiKA2001 · #14 10-05-2007, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

It happens A LOT in this area, especially when it has something to do with universities. Take a look at the rape/murder that happened at Eastern Michigan. Why didn't the campus know this was going on? The news actually uncovered it and it was the first time for many of the students to hear it. Campus was trying to cover up. There have apparently also been rapes on my alma mater's campus, but they don't report them because they don't want to create a fear. I was pretty upset when I didn't hear about that one.
I feel like the Universities like to think that bad stuff can't happen there, kind of like DisneyWorld.I remember there were a few people mugged ON CAMPUS AT GUNPOINT a couple of years ago at Wayne by a group of transvestites (Seriously). Never covered, even though a two nights later the same group robbed a Dunkin Doughnuts, which got huge coverage.

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Originally Posted by SydneyK

I'm certainly not in the know when it comes to the media in your area, but perhaps it was not covered for fear of accusations of (unjustified) racial profiling, and not because it was a "cover up". Just because an area has a high percentage of Middle Easterners doesn't mean it therefore has a high percentage of terrorists.

That's it. This incident took place right before Sep 11, The Mayor of Dearborn didn't want people rushing to conclusions about the intent of the guy being terrorist related.

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I can understand a university trying to hush something up, but this is the kind of stuff that media jump all over.

I can't imagine Channel 7 (WXYZ-TV), any of the other stations or The Free Press knowing about this and not reporting it.

There's just no sense to that.

I know there's not, thats kind of why I posted this. Here was a student running around with an AK-47, all paramilitary, planning to do God knows what. I just don't think it's right for them to brush this one under the rug, thats all.

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Cite?

Yes, it would be nice to see what would come up. I only know of one al-qaida related cell, 8-12 people that were busted here in Detroit ( I think) in '02. Now for the shady dealings part, you may find more. Hezbollah is kind of a big deal in Detroit.

Drolefille · #15 10-05-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PiKA2001

That's it. This incident took place right before Sep 11, The Mayor of Dearborn didn't want people rushing to conclusions about the intent of the guy being terrorist related.

I know there's not, thats kind of why I posted this. Here was a student running around with an AK-47, all paramilitary, planning to do God knows what. I just don't think it's right for them to brush this one under the rug, thats all.

Yes, it would be nice to see what would come up. I only know of one al-qaida related cell, 8-12 people that were busted here in Detroit ( I think) in '02. Now for the shady dealings part, you may find more. Hezbollah is kind of a big deal in Detroit.

You're assuming the mayor knew and the campus didn't keep it quiet. (Again, despite the fact the news stations had the story the same time as your "it was a conspiracy!" sites.)

Universities DO try to keep this stuff quiet all the time. Now as for the media or the city? Yeah right. If it had shown up on the police blotter, it would have been in the paper ASAP. If the University police handled it, it may not have been on that blotter.