Grades: the double standard for jocks

GA-Beta · #1 09-28-2006, 01:43 PM

NCAA stats published today show that after six years, only 9% of UGA's basketball players have graduated.

The UGa AD and his friends are "upset and concerned"

If our chapter had such a graduation rate and such low performance, we'd be gone.

We hate the double standard - and their winning record hasn't been that good, either.

AlphaFrog · #2 09-28-2006, 01:45 PM

Link, please?

shinerbock · #3 09-28-2006, 02:35 PM

In the SEC, we shouldnt even make basketball players go to school. We should buy them cars and houses, seriously, anything to make the Jan-March time more exciting.

jon1856 · #4 09-28-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Link, please?

I tried, and could not find anything directly on/about UG. Lot of other bad news on rates for sports......so now I too wonder...

greekalum · #5 09-28-2006, 05:09 PM

From today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution: UGA Hoops has failing grade.

adpiucf · #6 09-28-2006, 05:31 PM

What does this have to do with Chapter Operations?

Yes, jocks get away with lower grades. When they win, they're bringing prestige to the university and a ton of money from supportive alumni. If they don't graduate, that's no one's problem but their own. It isn't the university's job to spoon feed them onto the honor roll.

Greeks bring neither fans nor prestige to the school-- Greeks are not bringing in positive publicity (the fraternity car wash really isn't front page news) or attracting students to campus for their programs-- it's comparing apples to oranges. Greeks are social organizations. University athletics are campus-wide athletics programs.

jon1856 · #7 09-28-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by adpiucf

What does this have to do with Chapter Operations?

Yes, jocks get away with lower grades. When they win, they're bringing prestige to the university and a ton of money from supportive alumni. If they don't graduate, that's no one's problem but their own. It isn't the university's job to spoon feed them onto the honor roll.

Greeks bring neither fans nor prestige to the school-- Greeks are not bringing in positive publicity (the fraternity car wash really isn't front page news) or attracting students to campus for their programs-- it's comparing apples to oranges. Greeks are social organizations. University athletics are campus-wide athletics programs.

Perhaps this thread should have been placed or located in "News" but unless/until Jon moves it, here it stayes.

Few issues: One would have to wonder the difference in donations between Greeks and non-Greeks.
And I am sure most of us here could post well known Brothers/Sisters.

And back to a GC related matter: Greeks are on sports teams.
My school was a small school and we had five Brothers who were on the football team. The fraternity next door had the entire starting line-up of the Basketball team ( #1 NCAA ll ).

So there is an issue with Greek GPA's with sport teams.

Anyone at GA know how many players are Greeks?

FYI:General graduation rates: 41% in four years, 74% within six years.

KSUViolet06 · #8 09-29-2006, 12:18 AM

Football and basketball bring money into the school. Most schools could care less about the players' grades. Yes, Greeks draw alumni/a donors, but that doesn't compete with the amount of money sports stars bring in.

Kicking an athlete or 2 out of school or suspending a team for bad grades means losing money. The donors a school loses when a fraternity closes is nothing compared to that.

jon1856 · #9 09-29-2006, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Football and basketball bring money into the school. Most schools could care less about the players' grades. Yes, Greeks draw alumni/a donors, but that doesn't compete with the amount of money sports stars bring in.

Kicking an athlete or 2 out of school or suspending a team for bad grades means losing money. The donors a school loses when a fraternity closes is nothing compared to that.

KSU': Interesting post, one that I can agree with.
Perhaps I should attemp/try to re-work my prior thought and posting.

I was trying to get to a small or lower level in this question. Is there any impact on a Greek house or System if players get a "free pass" on grades and GPA?
There are houses that for one reason or another have to keep GPA's at a certain level.
Does the benifit of having a player as a Brother/Sister (weither or not they live or take part in house activites) out weight the GPA?

Just a few random thoughts very late at night......

PhoenixAzul · #10 09-29-2006, 09:07 AM

I think this may be one of the benefits of going to a D3 school. Our athletes don't get cut slack. Athletes are routinely kicked out or put on academic probation for low GPA, or they're cut from the team due to GPA. The games themselves are reasonably well attended, but I'd venture that we receive more money from Greek alumni than from athletic alumni. Sports here is still a way to be connected, it's not really about trying to phase into playing pro.

adpiucf · #11 09-29-2006, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jon1856

Does the benifit of having a player as a Brother/Sister (weither or not they live or take part in house activites) out weight the GPA?

I think the prestige of an NCAA athlete in your chapter is worth one grade risk. However, this also mistakenly implies that all athelete are poor students. If you have a member who is not making grades, give him the time and the resources to bring them up. If he doesn't, his membership is possibly not benefitting him b/c he is overprogrammed whether he is an athlete or not.

Buttonz · #12 09-29-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixAzul

I think this may be one of the benefits of going to a D3 school. Our athletes don't get cut slack. Athletes are routinely kicked out or put on academic probation for low GPA, or they're cut from the team due to GPA.

I have to agree with this. I'm at my second DIII school and it's the one thing that I like.

I hate how at a DI school athletes are treated like stars and thier GPA doesn't matter because it brings in money.

GeekyPenguin · #13 09-29-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Buttonz

I have to agree with this. I'm at my second DIII school and it's the one thing that I like.

I hate how at a DI school athletes are treated like stars and thier GPA doesn't matter because it brings in money.

They really aren't at all D1 schools. I was a D3 athlete who transferred to a D1 school...where the athletes had a higher graduation rate than the rest of the student body.

Buttonz · #14 09-29-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

They really aren't at all D1 schools. I was a D3 athlete who transferred to a D1 school...where the athletes had a higher graduation rate than the rest of the student body.

I don't mean at all DI schools, but at the ones that do let thier athletes slide...you'd see it at a DI school way before you'd see it at a DIII or even at a DII school.

AGDee · #15 09-30-2006, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GA-Beta

NCAA stats published today show that after six years, only 9% of UGA's basketball players have graduated.

The UGa AD and his friends are "upset and concerned"

If our chapter had such a graduation rate and such low performance, we'd be gone.

We hate the double standard - and their winning record hasn't been that good, either.

The way I see it is that athletic programs don't claim to place an emphasis on scholarship, but we, as GLOs do. We often profess to desire members with high GPAs and to encourage/facilitate good academic skills. Athletic programs only profess to try to win athletic games. They have a purpose and we have a purpose. I don't think the two can be compared.