Does your HQ *really* want to know about hazing?

Kevin · #1 06-01-2006, 12:10 PM

Do you feel as if your organization's leadership is genuinely concerned with stopping hazing? Or do you think that it's mostly for show for insurance companies, parents, and schools?

It seems to me that if our respective HQ's really wanted to stop hazing in its tracks, that they probably could succeed. However, in all likelihood, they would take a significant hit in terms of membership, and in terms of finances (at least short term).

How many of your national officers do you know who personally participated in hazing practices as undergrads?

(edited because I made no sense)

blkwebman1919 · #2 06-01-2006, 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Do you feel as if your organization's leadership is genuinely concerned with stopping hazing? Or do you think that it's mostly for show for insurance companies, parents, and schools?

It seems to me that if our respective HQ's really wanted to stop hazing in its tracks, that they probably could succeed. Would they all take a significant hit in terms of membership, and in terms of finances (at least short term).

How many of your national officers do you know who personally participated in hazing practices as undergrads?

Something tells me you won't get many answers to your questions...

Tom Earp · #3 06-01-2006, 03:58 PM

If and When LXA finds out, they will counsel them and if not they will be suspended.

I might say rightly so!

Yes ktsnake, LXA does beleive in it and You are correct. I think more should dont You!

AGDee · #4 06-01-2006, 10:22 PM

I definitely think that we want to make sure hazing isn't happening in Alpha Gamma Delta. A lot of time and effort is spent on educational programming and working with individual chapters to change their attitudes and/or practices if we see a red flag. We are very focused on looking for the little signs that things might nto be quite right and try to act on it very quickly, before it becomes out of control. In my experience, it starts out small, breaking the little rules and then gets worse and worse. We are constantly ("we" being the Volunteer Services Team.. the regional/national volunteers) discussing how to spot it early and get it corrected before something awful occurs.

Our current leadership, whether hazed or not, does not believe in hazing as a positive means to attaining sisterhood and feel very strongly that our goal with new members is to integrate them into our chapter as a whole, not separate them by treating them with less respect and humanity than we treat any other sister.

I can only speak for myself when I say that I was not hazed and actively prevented hazing from occurring within my chapter as a collegian. One of the main reasons that I selected Alpha Gamma Delta was because it was well known that the chapter didn't haze. I fought to keep it that way. I witnessed a lot of hazing in other GLOs during my time as a collegian and none of it looked fun or inspiring. We, as Alpha Gams, are charged to Inspire the Woman and thereby, Impact the World and hazing has no place in that mission.

DeltAlum · #5 06-01-2006, 11:06 PM

At a Karnea (DTD International conference) a few years ago, there were banners from all of the chapters that had been active in the two years since the last conference.

At the opening session, the Fraternity president asked the members of the undergraduate council to remove the banners of the chapters that had lost their charters since the last meeting two years before.

Eleven banners were removed.

Do we catch everything. No. Do some of our chapters haze? I unfortunately have to assume so. Are circumstances sometimes taken into consideration. Yes. Do we have zero tolerance? Probably not, but pretty close.

I think we're serious about it.

bows&toes · #6 06-02-2006, 11:18 PM

They definatly look the other way if it's a big prominent chapter at a school with a great greek system such as Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas, etc. This has been proven time and time again. You think DKE will ever pull the Yale chapter for hazing? Don't hold your breath.

If you're some podunk chapter in NJ, they wont think twice of revoking you.

tunatartare · #7 06-02-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by bows&toes
You think DKE will ever pull the Yale chapter for hazing? Don't hold your breath.

hate to say it, but he does have a point

Tom Earp · #8 06-02-2006, 11:30 PM

Does He have a Point?

Maybe so, but Gamma Chapter our Second (Many Think First) is closed. ( Long Story).

If they screw up then they should be closed!

So You think that the big Chapters wont be closed, then think again!

If a Big Chapter is Closed for Violatins as they should be, if there is an explanation then Alums will go along with it.

If they act like punks, then treat them like punks.

They do Us no damn good or the Greek Society of that School!

Munchkin03 · #9 06-03-2006, 12:54 AM

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Originally posted by KLPDaisy
hate to say it, but he does have a point

Truth. It's very very difficult for an Ivy chapter to lose their charter. They have to do something terrible.

KSUViolet06 · #10 06-03-2006, 12:59 AM

Yes. One of our strongest chapters was closed 2 years ago for hazing. Our HQ feels very strongly about preventing it.

33girl · #11 06-05-2006, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Do you feel as if your organization's leadership is genuinely concerned with stopping hazing? Or do you think that it's mostly for show for insurance companies, parents, and schools?

It seems to me that if our respective HQ's really wanted to stop hazing in its tracks, that they probably could succeed. However, in all likelihood, they would take a significant hit in terms of membership, and in terms of finances (at least short term).

How many of your national officers do you know who personally participated in hazing practices as undergrads?

(edited because I made no sense)

Do you mean real, dangerous hazing (beating, forced drinking, physical overexertion, severe mental anguish) or "politically correct" hazing (interviews, signatures, silly stunts, wearing goofy things and having fun doing it)?

If it's the latter, I know for sure at least one of our past national presidents did as she wore her pledge beanie around at a past convention.

And as much as bows and toes can annoy me, he has a point. And if a big chapter like that DOES close, there's usually some major politics going on (i.e. a power struggle btwn that chapter and the HQ/council) that no one outside of those two parties has a clue about.

Tom Earp · #12 06-06-2006, 05:09 PM

Does it really matter?

If it goes against what Your IHQ stands for, the best thing is do not do it!

Plain and simple!

The Insurance cost go up and up, so who does that affect. The Chapter.

Optimist Prime · #13 06-07-2006, 09:45 AM

If it goes against what YOU believe in, its best not to do it.

AlphaFrog · #14 06-07-2006, 10:08 AM

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Originally posted by bows&toes
They definatly look the other way if it's a big prominent chapter at a school with a great greek system such as Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas, etc. This has been proven time and time again. You think DKE will ever pull the Yale chapter for hazing? Don't hold your breath.

If you're some podunk chapter in NJ, they wont think twice of revoking you.

I have witnessed this in another GLO. One of their biggest chapters gets away with murder. (Although I have never heard of any chapters of this particular GLO that have been closed for hazing, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened).

shinerbock · #15 06-07-2006, 10:34 PM

I think its rare for them to close a big chapter. Usually when that does happen to one, it is not only the national org, but also public relations pressure from the university. I think it also depends on the chapter's relationship to the national org. For example, my chapter and others at the big southern schools have always had the largest classes, most money, etc, but we had basically no correspondence with nationals beyond what was neccesary. However, the chapters the national organization love and constantly give awards to (the ones that devote themselves almost entirely to fundraising and the HQ concepts of brotherhood, antihazing), will be much more likely to experience nationals wrath. Those chapters, although superb in the national org's mind, would do little to fight punishment. They generally are not great socially or financially, and thus have little alumni or money with which to cause nationals to pause before stripping them of a charter. Meanwhile, the big southern chapters, at least in my fraternity, have several of the most powerful alumni and the loss of a couple of those chapter's money and influence would have impace on the national fraternity.