Good-bye Tookie

hoosier · #1 12-12-2005, 05:05 PM

After 25 years of appeals and manipulation, the end is near.

My sympathy is with the families of his four victims, and all the other victims of his legacy - the Crips.

Proud of you, Arnold.

Kevin · #2 12-12-2005, 05:47 PM

While I don't deny that he deserved what he got, I don't support the death penalty.

As long as we're giving it out though -- Tookie seems like a prime candidate.

RACooper · #3 12-12-2005, 05:52 PM

I fail to see the purpose of executing him; well other than satisifying some need for revenge... the death penalty is a barbaric practice - I hope one day the US joins the rest of the civilized world in condemning it.

If he has reformed, then what harm would sentencing him to a life in prison do? Worst case scenario he would just rot away - best case he could continue on his path writing and teaching.

jubilance1922 · #4 12-12-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
I fail to see the purpose of executing him; well other than satisifying some need for revenge... the death penalty is a barbaric practice - I hope one day the US joins the rest of the civilized world in condemning it.

If he has reformed, then what harm would sentencing him to a life in prison do? Worst case scenario he would just rot away - best case he could continue on his path writing and teaching.

Ditto on everything you said.

Rio_Kohitsuji · #5 12-12-2005, 07:36 PM

Well, g'bye Tookie, glad that you're gone.

On the death penalty, I figure it's cheaper to off them early than to continue to feed them. Much cheaper that way.

Rudey · #6 12-12-2005, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
I fail to see the purpose of executing him; well other than satisifying some need for revenge... the death penalty is a barbaric practice - I hope one day the US joins the rest of the civilized world in condemning it.

If he has reformed, then what harm would sentencing him to a life in prison do? Worst case scenario he would just rot away - best case he could continue on his path writing and teaching.

So why put anyone in jail? It's like revenge really.

I mean the guy stole money from Enron and he won't work anywhere else probably so why throw him in jail?

The logic doesn't flow. I don't believe in the death penalty, but I think what he has done is pretty bad.

I think guys like this should be sent to fight in Iraq. People think that's a joke, but it's not. If they die, it won't be at our hands and they'll alleviate the troop shortage.

-Rudey

kstar · #7 12-12-2005, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by Rio_Kohitsuji
Well, g'bye Tookie, glad that you're gone.

On the death penalty, I figure it's cheaper to off them early than to continue to feed them. Much cheaper that way.

Actually the opposite.

It is much more expensive.

BigCityStripper · #8 12-12-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by kstar
Actually the opposite.

It is much more expensive.

Prove it. I want to see how a one time lethal injection and burial to a killer is more expensive than the food and the space he's occupying.

Fine, its revenge. Its revenge for the lives of the people he ended. Why should he be allowed to grow old, write, teach when he ensured that 4 other members of society won't get to? I'm sorry, someone that shoots another human being, then later laughs and mocks the gurgling noises they make when they die obviously doesn't respect life enough to deserve one. And nothing he's done in the subsequent 25 years changes that fact.

Rudey · #9 12-12-2005, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by BigCityStripper
Prove it. I want to see how a one time lethal injection and burial to a killer is more expensive than the food and the space he's occupying.

Fine, its revenge. Its revenge for the lives of the people he ended. Why should he be allowed to grow old, write, teach when he ensured that 4 other members of society won't get to? I'm sorry, someone that shoots another human being, then later laughs and mocks the gurgling noises they make when they die obviously doesn't respect life enough to deserve one. And nothing he's done in the subsequent 25 years changes that fact.

China does it often because they've been rich since Mao turned communist.

-Rudey

ShyViolet · #10 12-12-2005, 09:13 PM

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I fail to see the purpose of executing him; well other than satisifying some need for revenge... the death penalty is a barbaric practice - I hope one day the US joins the rest of the civilized world in condemning it.

Here, here RA Cooper - well said. People have the ability to change and reform, I mean for God's sake he's been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in the past. At least life in prison would mean he would still be able to do some good in the world. When will the US government wake up and realise that this whole "an eye for an eye" thing (in relation to the death penalty) really doesn't solve any problems?

Rudey · #11 12-12-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by ShyViolet
Here, here RA Cooper - well said. People have the ability to change and reform, I mean for God's sake he's been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in the past. At least life in prison would mean he would still be able to do some good in the world. When will the US government wake up and realise that this whole "an eye for an eye" thing (in relation to the death penalty) really doesn't solve any problems?

Ummm seriously the logic doesn't work. Open up the prisons. because you're against punishment

The Nobel prize means nothing. There are terrorists that have won it while committee members resigned in protest.

-Rudey

ShyViolet · #12 12-12-2005, 09:37 PM

I'm not using it as logic - if you'll notice, I'm not actually arguing anything, rather stating my opinion.
While you may hold the Peace Prize in no regard, others do, and for different reasons. Peace to one is not the same to someone else - likewise the degree of impact a person's contribution has made to the peace of a situation varies between nominees and winners. I'm not debating the fact that the NPP has had some controversial winners/nominees, he's just another one.

Tom Earp · #13 12-12-2005, 09:40 PM

Prison Inmates have been know to become some of the best leagal Minds! They have the time, the librarys, and lawyers to advise them.

Let God Sort Them Out!

No one told Him to start The Crips who were one of the most blood thirsty gangs in America! How many People did He or his gang kill?

It cost a Ton of Money to keep a prisoners in Jail. Who do You think pays for that? You and I do!

How about a guy who runs over and Kills a Police Officer who I knew, had a family and said if He had a chance, He would kill more!

Up for Parole 3 times! I along with many others have fought our rears off to keep in in.

No Death Penality in Ks. at the time. Oh!!!

BTK, of Witchata, Ks. cannot get the Death Penality as was committeed befor one. 11 People known!

The Congress of The USA changed the burial terms to be placed in National Cemetrys because of this!

hoosier · #14 12-12-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by ShyViolet
I mean for God's sake he's been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in the past.

Don't make too much of the above.

For example:

Dear Nobel Committee:

I hereby nominate ShyViolet for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Love,

Friends of ShyViolet

Now you and Tookie share something.

He committed the ultimate crime four times. He does not deserve any more chances.

DeltAlum · #15 12-12-2005, 09:53 PM

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Originally posted by BigCityStripper
Prove it. I want to see how a one time lethal injection and burial to a killer is more expensive than the food and the space he's occupying.

The average time from conviction/sentencing to carrying out the death penalty is twenty-five years.

So, we feed them for that long and then kill them. What difference does it make financially?

We're doing both.