OU Triangle stands up for rights

hoosier · #1 12-06-2005, 02:43 PM

http://www.oudaily.com/vnews/display.../4394f237990c2

The OU chapter of Triangle has refused to submit to unlimited "inspections" by campus police (seeking alcohol violations), and has been kicked off campus and out of the IFC.

Hope they have a lawyer.

Kevin · #2 12-06-2005, 03:27 PM

They may have done this on advice of their lawyer.

It'll be an interesting case. I think Boren's been very heavy-handed in his dealings with the greek system after Mr. Hamontree's death.

UNLDelt · #3 12-06-2005, 05:38 PM

A part of me says good for them. At the University of Nebraska the Lincoln police, University Police, and even the Community service officers (of both sex, that's important) have the right to enter any Fraternity at any time to inspect the 'public' areas of the house, unescorted, no notification given before or after the walk through. Basically they can search everything execept individual rooms (although they have broken that guideline and always find loopholes after the fact-i.e. "well the door wasn't closed all the way to where it latched" (but no one was around to confirm that) We have even had reports of officers in our window wells trying to look in/ get in through a bathroom window. They do this to an invasive degree.

I understand some of the need for campus security and enforcement (although our campus is dry and in the past 5 years the fraternities have really fallen in line with keeping alcohol out of their houses...before that...there was booze around and walk throughs were used to catch houses. But now there is no need to keep up with such an invasive practice. Many chapters have really strict alcohol policies (including my chapter) that they actually enforce to a successfull degree.

In sororities no matter what the sex officers must be escorted and are not even allowed upstairs. So basically a kitchen, livingroom, tv room, and a dining room. In the dorms they wander the halls but never pull don't pull "the door was slightly adjar and the refridgerator was also slightly open" BS.
So its a wrong double standard if sororities and the dorms are not treated the same. And if someone is ever caught with alcohol in their room by the university (which is difficult to get away with when the penalties from the fraternity alone are really strict), the WHOLE fraternity gets in trouble for one moron who they would have punished if they had caught him themselves (but didn't b/c they we don't break into eachothers rooms looking to bust one another). Dorm floors don't get shut down for one idiot breaking a rule...sororities don't go on probation or have their charter's yanked for a girl being too drunk in her own house when there's a bottle of Grey Goose hiding upstairs in her closet. Just Fraternities...I guess we are to blame for EVERYTHING.
Sure they can come in, look around, we've got nothing to hide...but make sure that they do the same down the street to the residence halls and sororities.
If I sound bitter I'm sorry, but maybe the statistics that say "fraternities have higher alcohol abuse rates" are skewed b/c that's where they are focused on looking for a problem...perhaps the rates are the same across the board of collegiate students, but the research is biasedly focused.

DeltAlum · #4 12-06-2005, 05:56 PM

Triangle doesn't have a chapter at OU.

Oh, you must mean that other, younger, OU in Norman.

kstar · #5 12-06-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by UNLDelt
but make sure that they do the same down the street to the residence halls and sororities.

Since the university doesn't own any of the greek houses, I don't feel that it is their right to demand entry. I'm fine with them inspecting dorms, dorms are owned by the university.

ktsnake is right Boren has been very heavy handed- with the fraternities. The NPCs on campus have been dry longer, yet, there have never been inspections for the sororities.

If there were, I personally would refuse.

And DeltAlum- we've been over this, OU is more talked about than Ohio U., nobody cares about Ohio U.

DeltAlum · #6 12-06-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by kstar
And DeltAlum- we've been over this, OU is more talked about than Ohio U., nobody cares about Ohio U.

That depends on where you live and where you go to school. And, of course, whether you're talking about sports.

Besides, my point really isn't about which "OU" is the most famous, but rather that the use of names instead of letters is really necessary to tell a story.

Most Journalism schools say to use the full name in the first mention, then go to initials if you care to.

irishpipes · #7 12-06-2005, 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
That depends on where you live and where you go to school. And, of course, whether you're talking about sports.

Haven't you figured out that at Oklahoma, all they EVER talk about is sports???

kstar · #8 12-06-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
That depends on where you live and where you go to school. And, of course, whether you're talking about sports.

Besides, my point really isn't about which "OU" is the most famous, but rather that the use of names instead of letters is really necessary to tell a story.

Most Journalism schools say to use the full name in the first mention, then go to initials if you care to.

I know, and I'm sorry. I'm in a bad mood, and it's not your fault.

Irishpipes- we talk about many more things than sports... Like stupid dry campus policies, parking nazis, and such.

irishpipes · #9 12-06-2005, 06:40 PM

kstar - It was a joke. As a graduate of OSU, I feel compelled to heckle OU as much as possible.

kstar · #10 12-06-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by irishpipes
kstar - It was a joke. As a graduate of OSU, I feel compelled to heckle OU as much as possible.

I know, that's why I said what we talk about... And it is sad that there are people in this state that don't know that OU has a SCHOOL, not just a football team.

DeltAlum · #11 12-06-2005, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by irishpipes
kstar - It was a joke. As a graduate of OSU, I feel compelled to heckle OU as much as possible.

Hey Irishpipes,

I didn't know you went to Ohio State!

(Zing...)

ETA, as most of you know, at the end of this school year, there will be four "OU" graduates in the DA family, three from Athens and the newest/youngest from Norman.

irishpipes · #12 12-06-2005, 06:54 PM

Believe me, DA, growing up OSU was ALWAYS Ohio State. I went to the University of Illinois before I went to Oklahoma State.

ETA: I guess there aren't any posters from Oregon or Oregon State that we are leaving out?

g41965 · #13 12-06-2005, 07:01 PM

I am proud of the OU chapter of Triangle it does not suprise me at all that a group that doesn't drink to excess protests state violations of the 4th amendment, ethics and respect for the rule of law tend to work together.
Hope the ACLU and Triangle put their best foot forward remember folks the ends don't justify the means.

USCTKE · #14 12-07-2005, 12:16 AM

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Originally posted by irishpipes
Believe me, DA, growing up OSU was ALWAYS Ohio State. I went to the University of Illinois before I went to Oklahoma State.

ETA: I guess there aren't any posters from Oregon or Oregon State that we are leaving out?

on the whole OSU, OU point...let me say the University of Southern California IS NOT USC...look at the dates the schools were founded...heck I dont even think California was even a state when USC opened...yet those morons from the west coast actually have the nerve to sue USC over the use of an SC logo on our baseball hats (the two schools logos arent really that similar)

sorry for the rant...just had to get it off my chest.

jitterbug13 · #15 12-07-2005, 12:39 AM

^^^^^
Tell them, USCTKE!!!!