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Old 10-18-2005, 12:26 PM
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Rove likely to resign if indicted

Karl Rove has a plan, as always. Even before testifying last week for the fourth time before a grand jury probing the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, Bush senior adviser Rove and others at the White House had concluded that if indicted he would immediately resign or possibly go on unpaid leave, several legal and Administration sources familiar with the thinking told TIME.

Resignation is the much more likely scenario, they say. The same would apply to I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, the Vice President's chief of staff, who also faces a possible indictment. A former White House official says Rove's break with Bush would have to be clean—no "giving advice from the sidelines"—for the sake of the Administration.

Severing his ties would allow Rove—who as deputy chief of staff runs a vast swath of the West Wing—to fight aggressively "any bull___ charges," says a source close to Rove, like allegations that he was part of a broad conspiracy to discredit Plame's husband Joseph Wilson. Rove's defense: whatever he did fell far short of that.

Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald appears to be seriously weighing a perjury charge for Rove's failure to tell grand jurors that he talked to TIME correspondent Matthew Cooper about Plame, according to a person close to Rove. Rove corrected himself in a later grand jury session. If charged with perjury, he will maintain he simply didn't recall the conversation with Cooper and told Fitzgerald as soon as he did.

Those strategies are being shaped absent any real knowledge of what Fitzgerald might do before the grand jury's scheduled dissolution on Oct. 28. "If he played his cards any closer to the vest, they'd be in his underwear," says a lawyer who is a friend of the White House. But Fitzgerald's intentions aren't the only mystery. Another character in the drama remains unnamed: the original source for columnist Robert Novak, who wrote the first piece naming Plame. Fitzgerald, says a lawyer who's involved in the case, "knows who it is—and it's not someone at the White House."

On Sunday, Oct. 16, the New York Times published its long-awaited account of reporter Judith Miller's dealings with Libby; she had spent 85 days in jail before receiving written and oral permission from Libby to testify before the grand jury. The nearly 6,000-word Times account says that notes Miller turned over to the prosecutor contain Plame's name, misspelled as "Valerie Flame," in the same notebook she used to interview Libby, but as Miller wrote in an accompanying first-person piece in the Times, she told the grand jury she believed that information came from "another source, whom I could not recall." In her 3,500-word account of her grand jury appearance, Miller says Fitzgerald also asked questions about Vice President Dick Cheney, including if Libby ever indicated to her whether "Cheney had approved of his interviews with me or was aware of them. The answer is no." The Times account makes clear that Miller's bosses supported her decision to go to jail but that there were deep tensions between Miller and her editors about her overall role in the affair and a disagreement between one of her lawyers, Robert Bennett, and the Times lawyer about her eventual reaching out to Libby that resulted in her freedom.

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Old 10-18-2005, 12:43 PM
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Fitzgerald also asked questions about Vice President Dick Cheney, including if Libby ever indicated to her whether "Cheney had approved of his interviews with me or was aware of them.

The answer is no."


I just wanted to highlight that for the moderator who created this thread.

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Old 10-18-2005, 01:16 PM
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Fitzgerald also asked questions about Vice President Dick Cheney, including if Libby ever indicated to her whether "Cheney had approved of his interviews with me or was aware of them.

The answer is no."


I just wanted to highlight that for the moderator who created this thread.

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Did I ever say anything about Cheney?
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:19 PM
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Did I ever say anything about Cheney?
It was in the article you posted.

You did post an article right?

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Old 10-18-2005, 01:22 PM
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It was in the article you posted.

You did post an article right?

-Rudey
Yes but you make it sound like I am claiming Cheney is guilty of something. The article is about Rove will likely resign if indicted.
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:23 PM
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Yes but you make it sound like I am claiming Cheney is guilty of something. The article is about Rove will likely resign if indicted.
I didn't say you claimed anything.

You posted an article.

I posted a quote from that article.

That's simple really. Isn't it?

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Old 10-18-2005, 01:32 PM
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I didn't say you claimed anything.

You posted an article.

I posted a quote from that article.

That's simple really. Isn't it?

-Rudey
Ok. Can you explain why you wanted me to see that quote?
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:36 PM
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Ok. Can you explain why you wanted me to see that quote?
Well in this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty.

The quote is an example of the innocence (example emphasized).

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Old 10-18-2005, 01:42 PM
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Well in this country we believe in innocent until proven guilty.

The quote is an example of the innocence (example emphasized).

-Rudey
I agree Cheney is likely innocent. Rove maybe as well. The article talks about if he is indicted he will likely resign, not stating he is guilty.
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:43 PM
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I agree Cheney is likely innocent. Rove maybe as well. The article talks about if he is indicted he will likely resign, not stating he is guilty.
As a moderator, do you ever feel that you need to show any semblance of moderation?

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Old 10-18-2005, 01:52 PM
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As a moderator, do you ever feel that you need to show any semblance of moderation?

-Rudey
If I was getting paid to moderate this forum sure.
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Old 10-18-2005, 01:55 PM
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As a moderator, do you ever feel that you need to show any semblance of moderation?

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Moderate runs the forum the way we feel it should be run. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:23 PM
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Moderate runs the forum the way we feel it should be run. Nothing more, nothing less.
That's fine.

Then take your lumps and don't complain. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Old 10-18-2005, 02:25 PM
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That's fine.

Then take your lumps and don't complain. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Who's complaining? Seems like you're the one complaining.
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Old 10-18-2005, 02:36 PM
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Who's complaining? Seems like you're the one complaining.
Really? I don't see myself complaining and if I am complaining in your eyes, then you are complaining about my complaining.

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