France is burning

Rudey · #1 11-08-2005, 08:33 PM

Well France is burning down and laws have been enacted to arrest anyone and take over the press.

But yet, I don't see massive protests all over the world against France. Hmmmm...

-Rudey

AGDee · #2 11-08-2005, 10:06 PM

I was a little surprised to see that this hadn't been a topic here yet. Just TODAY, they imposed a curfew in an attempt to stop the rioting. They refused to bring in the military because they say it is "not at that point yet". When does it become that point? There have also been some comments that the rioters are getting more organized. After 12 days, they finally declare a state of emergency?

hoosier · #3 11-08-2005, 10:13 PM

Even the humorists are ahead of GC on this:

"France has asked the muslims to choose a leader, so they can surrender to him."

"France: are they rioting 'cause they won the soccer game, or 'cause they lost?"

Rudey · #4 11-08-2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally posted by AGDee
I was a little surprised to see that this hadn't been a topic here yet. Just TODAY, they imposed a curfew in an attempt to stop the rioting. They refused to bring in the military because they say it is "not at that point yet". When does it become that point? There have also been some comments that the rioters are getting more organized. After 12 days, they finally declare a state of emergency?

Maybe the guy that used to run FEMA works in France now?

-Rudey

Lindz928 · #5 11-09-2005, 11:33 AM

It is sad to see the images of these things on tv.

Rudey · #6 11-09-2005, 12:11 PM

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It is sad to see the images of these things on tv.

I would have thought someone would have surrendered by now to keep the buildings from burning.

-Rudey

PM_Mama00 · #7 11-09-2005, 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Maybe the guy that used to run FEMA works in France now?

-Rudey

Was thinking the same exact thing.

KSig RC · #8 11-09-2005, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I would have thought someone would have surrendered by now to keep the buildings from burning.

-Rudey

Don't you think that pledging 30 billion euros to 'create' jobs (apparently through alchemy? Magic?) is the modern equivalent of the white flag after an end-around through Belgium?

-RC
--I'll believe it when I see it, is what I'm getting at

RACooper · #9 11-10-2005, 01:29 AM

Again like I said in another thread... if you are willing to treat people lile second-class citizens, or to adhere to racist policies - why is it a shock that eventually they fight back?

As the saying goes: France is reaping what it has sowed.

texas*princess · #10 11-10-2005, 02:07 AM

I have obviously missed the World News segment on the morning news show I watch...

.. what's the deal in France? Why is everyone all angry?

AGDee · #11 11-10-2005, 08:05 AM

From today's CNN article: "The unrest broke out following the October 27 deaths of two young men of North African descent, who were electrocuted when they hid from police in an electricity sub-station in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois."

This brought out rage that the police are perceived to be targeting these young poor Muslims in France and that the government has essentially ignored the needs of the people in poor areas with high crime and high unemployment.

"De Villepin said the rioting was the result of France's failure to provide hope to thousands of youths, most French citizens and the children of Muslim immigrants from northern Africa. "

They have burned thousands of cars every night, schools, etc. and it was spreading into many suburbs of Paris each night. On Day 12, they declared a state of emergency and it has declined slightly.

Taualumna · #12 11-10-2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Again like I said in another thread... if you are willing to treat people lile second-class citizens, or to adhere to racist policies - why is it a shock that eventually they fight back?

As the saying goes: France is reaping what it has sowed.

So you're saying that immigrants should hold on to their old culture even more tightly when they arrive in a new country? I read in the Globe and Mail that if a Muslim girl in France wants to be more "secular" then she could get into a lot of trouble in her community. Holding on to one's culture to much can be a dangerous thing, and not to mention, turn one into the laughing stock from the old country, who may see these views as being out-of-date!

AOIIBrandi · #13 11-10-2005, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by AGDee
From today's CNN article: "The unrest broke out following the October 27 deaths of two young men of North African descent, who were electrocuted when they hid from police in an electricity sub-station in the Paris suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois."

I don't know if hiding from police is against the law in France, but here... Admittedly I don't know why they were hiding or what they had allegedly done wrong, but I'm always shocked that something like this can start because somebody was doing something illegal that turned out poorly for them.

Optimist Prime · #14 11-10-2005, 10:31 AM

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I don't know if hiding from police is against the law in France, but here... Admittedly I don't know why they were hiding or what they had allegedly done wrong, but I'm always shocked that something like this can start because somebody was doing something illegal that turned out poorly for them.

Why do you assume that because the police were there that anything illegal was going on? It sounds like everyone is angry for some pretty legitmate reasons.

AOIIBrandi · #15 11-10-2005, 10:54 AM

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Why do you assume that because the police were there that anything illegal was going on? It sounds like everyone is angry for some pretty legitmate reasons.

They may have reasons to riot. I don't know a lot about what is going on, but this type of thing seems to happen as a result of someone doing something they shouldn't have been doing anyway. Would they have started rioting regardless of whether these two young men were electrocuted while they were hiding from the police in an electrical sub station - don't get me started on that being a "genius" place to hide in the first place? If so, that's a different conversation. Running/hiding from the police is illegal in this country - maybe it's not in France. I have no idea about what they were doing before they decided to hide from the police, I was commenting strictly on what the article says started it. Have you ever seen an instance where the police are looking for someone (for whatever reason) and running turned out well for them? Even I've seen a couple episodes of Cops