How stupid is this

kayla0deegee · #1 06-08-2005, 09:42 AM

Ok maybe someone can help me out with this.

I go to a fairly small school with chapter's quota being around 60/65-ish. We've always done recruitment as the three-day weekend kinda deal.
Well this year they want to try to increase our quota so they are going to have two weeks of recruitment. Which doesn't sound like a bad idea, cause everyone ususally goes home during the weekend. But every chapter loses some people due to graduation. Unfortunately my chapter is losing a lot (17 to be exact) and here comes the bad part....Panhellenic is wanting to take all the girls going through and split them into two groups. So if by some chance like 200 girls go through then this means we could have 100 girls at one party.This sounds completely insane to me. But they seem to think it will work. How are we going to do that? We will have like 46 girls with 100 PNMs???
Does anyone else have recruitment like this?

PenguinTrax · #2 06-08-2005, 10:17 AM

I don't see how lengthening the recruitment period will increase quota. If PHC is trying to get more girls into the system, they need to do work up front to increase registration.

As far as splitting the PNMs into two large groups - that's just not a feasible way to go. Too many PNMs will be left hanging around during parties, with noone to talk to but themselves. The number of PNM groups should be equal to the number of groups on campus - it makes it easier to schedule the events and makes the PNM groups more manageable.

If I were you, I would contact your Panhellenic representative and voice your concerns. She will advocate for you.

aopirose · #3 06-08-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by PenguinTrax
I don't see how lengthening the recruitment period will increase quota. If PHC is trying to get more girls into the system, they need to do work up front to increase registration.

As far as splitting the PNMs into two large groups - that's just not a feasible way to go. Too many PNMs will be left hanging around during parties, with noone to talk to but themselves. The number of PNM groups should be equal to the number of groups on campus - it makes it easier to schedule the events and makes the PNM groups more manageable.

If I were you, I would contact your Panhellenic representative and voice your concerns. She will advocate for you.

Sound advice.

33girl · #4 06-08-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by kayla0deegee
Ok maybe someone can help me out with this.

I go to a fairly small school with chapter's quota being around 60/65-ish. We've always done recruitment as the three-day weekend kinda deal.
Well this year they want to try to increase our quota so they are going to have two weeks of recruitment. Which doesn't sound like a bad idea, cause everyone ususally goes home during the weekend. But every chapter loses some people due to graduation. Unfortunately my chapter is losing a lot (17 to be exact) and here comes the bad part....Panhellenic is wanting to take all the girls going through and split them into two groups. So if by some chance like 200 girls go through then this means we could have 100 girls at one party.This sounds completely insane to me. But they seem to think it will work. How are we going to do that? We will have like 46 girls with 100 PNMs???
Does anyone else have recruitment like this?

I don't think they mean they want 100 girls at one party. That would be stupid and would mean all the other sororities are sitting around twiddling their thumbs while all the girls are at other sororities' parties.

I think (hope) what they mean is that they will take all the girls that sign up and 100 will go through the first week, 100 will go through the second week. That means you will have 2 quotas and most likely fewer people getting cross cut.

Also, when you are saying "chapter's quota" I think what you actually mean is chapter total.

This actually is kind of a good idea, except it blows for the chapters having to do things twice.

AchtungBaby80 · #5 06-08-2005, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
I think (hope) what they mean is that they will take all the girls that sign up and 100 will go through the first week, 100 will go through the second week. That means you will have 2 quotas and most likely fewer people getting cross cut.

That's what I got out of it, too. Hopefully there wouldn't be 100 PNMs at the same party...geez!

PsychTau2 · #6 06-08-2005, 02:45 PM

Lengthening the recruitment period might increase quota because it might boost the retention rate (especially if PNMs go home over the weekend or have night classes). That could be their line of thinking.

I'm also wondering if fall is the "larger" recruitment or the smaller one. They may have a great idea in dividing all the PNMs into 2 groups...but they may not be expecting 200 PNMs. When my campus restructured their "formal" recruitment this spring, we were only planning on having 2 PNM groups (traditionally they've only had about 30 girls go through). We wound up with 55 starting and 34 finishing (compared to 40 starting and 16 finishing the year before)...once we realized how signups were going and that they all showed up on orientation night, we quickly went to Plan B and divided up into 3 PNM groups.

This sounds a little like they are moving more toward PSR or a more relaxed "formal" recruitment...is that correct kayla0deegee?

ETA: After reading what 33girl had to say I thought of another idea. Ifyou are really expecting 200 PNMs, they might be dividing the PNMs into "Alpha" group and "Beta" group. Then the groups alternate nights...Alpha Group has 4 Parties on Monday, Beta has 4 Parties on Tuesday, etc. Each night, they may divide up into 3 smaller groups to rotate through the parties. That way if a girl has class on Monday night, she can come to Tuesday nights parties and not miss out on anything. The drawback is that the sororities will have to repeat their parties 3x on Monday, and the SAME parties 3x on Tuesday. A creative solution, but that would just suck.

Now that I'm thinking too much about this, I'll just stop!

PsychTau

OleMissGlitter · #7 06-08-2005, 02:48 PM

Yes 100 PNMs if you chapter total is only 65 would be crazy. But at Ole Miss, we have at least 100 PNMs at each party...talk about craziness!

kayla0deegee · #8 06-08-2005, 04:19 PM

See I was very confused by all this too. I even went to a recruitment meeting. This is going to be a more "relaxed" recruitment BUT they are expecting more girls to go through cause it's not until the end of August and it's not during the weekend.
Let me explain the process straight from the Panhellenic advisor's mouth.
We have six sororities.
Monday- will be the first three sororities all at different times.
Tuesday- the next three all at different times---these two days are info days
Wednesday-Philanthropy day repeat monday's schedule
Thurdays-repeat tuesday's schedule
No parties Friday, Saturday, Sunday
Now for the next week i'm still confused because it is only Pref, but four days, but there will still be three parties a day..I dont know about that just yet.
But I said...so there could be a chance we will have 100 girls at one party...depending on how many girls sign up...and she said yes. I then said well thats going to be diffficult for us isnt it and she (very unaffected) says Ah, you'll be fine!
Obviously hitting retarded stage cause my Lord...100 PNMS to 45 members...and everyone is kinda freaking out about it (everyone as in other sororities) because there is one org that has like 30 members.
And the only thing is, is that in years past we have had like 200 girls sign up but not continue all the way through with recruitment, but thats still at least one day of this.
Also we can cut and they can cut after the first day. That's going to be hard cause we almost will have to cut, but there's no way we can get to know them that fast with that many girls.
I'm so aggravated cause it's like the advisor just doesnt care.

AGDee · #9 06-08-2005, 07:20 PM

Was this voted on by Panhellenic Council?

whittleschmeg · #10 06-08-2005, 07:22 PM

I was Recruitment chair for panhellenic this year and we have a very small school we have 6 sororities and our total is 45.....We have changed to a more relaxed formal recruitment to help boost greek life and get PNM's there first or second choice sorority what
would make sense would be if all 3 sororities went at the same time and you divided the first group of 100 girls into 3 groups and had them rotate amongst the sororities that are scheduled for the night which would mean approximatly 33 girls would be in each group....

Someone needs to sit down and have a rational conversation with your advisor because 100 PNM's and only 30-40 sisters is ridiculous and is not fair to the PNM's who might not learn everything they would like too learn nor is it fair to the sisters who may cut a girl just becasue they didn't get to know them and lose out on a great person....

33girl · #11 06-08-2005, 11:23 PM

Are you having any sort of rush counselors at all?

Do the pnms have to sign up for a time to go to each party or do they drift in and out? I think Pitt did something like this, kddani or fire1977 would know. If it's just like an "open house" it's very very very doubtful that you will have 100 girls come and stay for the entire party. Ask the fraternity guys you know what this is like because it's basically how they rush.

If they are not divided into groups and have to sign up for times to go to each party, I would hope that a) the pnms wouldn't be so stupid as to sign up for the party that is already super full and b) that there would be something on the signup lists that says "limit 40 rushees at each party" or something of the like.

Don't discuss it with the advisor, just do it.

kayla0deegee · #12 06-09-2005, 02:49 AM

Well there are Gamma Chi's and that's what doesnt make much sense. I'm so confused and no one knows whats going on. We are so nervous about this. All the PNMs have to be escorted to all the parties by the Gamma Chi's....so who even knows what it's going to be like. I dont know if our PH advisor knows whats going on fully. I think this is going to be a huge mess.
I think i am going to email the PH advisor again and ask her the specifics just to be sure about it all. And if she explains it again the same way I'm going to question her and the process.
It's like the advisor is more worried about getting more girls to rush as compared to benefitting the orgs and such.
Who knows...i am scared and it does make so much more sense to break up the 100 girls into three different groups...HOPEFULLY that will happen.
Thanks everyone for the advice and help!!!
I'll let you all know what I find out!

LightBulb · #13 06-09-2005, 03:20 AM

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Originally posted by 33girl
I don't think they mean they want 100 girls at one party. That would be stupid and would mean all the other sororities are sitting around twiddling their thumbs while all the girls are at other sororities' parties.

That's what it sounds like, since there is only one group going to each sorority each night... ridiculous!

LightBulb · #14 06-09-2005, 03:23 AM

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Originally posted by kayla0deegee
Now for the next week i'm still confused because it is only Pref, but four days, but there will still be three parties a day..I dont know about that just yet.

Twelve pref parties? Eep!

PsychTau2 · #15 06-09-2005, 09:43 AM

OK...breathe...it sounds like there is some missing information here. First of all, I'd get the plan/rules in writing. If they aren't on paper, they aren't enforceable. Also, if they aren't clear to you (knowing how recruitment works) then how will the PNMs understand them? You'll lose girls based on confusion.

The other thing is to read them like you are experiencing recruitment for the first time. If you are changing styles, you really need to look at it without trying to match it up with the type of recruitment you are used to. Grasp the whole week as if you were a PNM...then figure out how it matches up to what you used to do. Sometimes you've got to come at it from a different angle.

Then I'd practice. I would get a bunch of girls together to represent PNMs, Gamma Chis, sisters, etc. and I'd run a few scenarios (I did this with our recruitment bid lists because we almost had more PNMs than we had open spots...which meant I would have had to figure out how to do quota at 2am without Pref Cards real quick). See where things get goofed up. And have a Plan B.

In our recruitment, after the first night the PNMs could CHOOSE what parties they wanted to go to. They weren't forced to rotate through all three groups, and the only invite lists we had were for pref (i.e. there was no cutting). Our Pi Chis had to escort the PNMs to each party, so if you wanted to go to the 8pm party then you met in the conference room at 7:45. The conference room was "home base".

Anyway, get it on paper and let us know. It very well could be that the PNMs will be divded up into more manageable groups, and somehow no one is actually saying that (thinking that all of the sisters automatically get it).

PM me if you have more questions!!

PsychTau