Prison Population on the Rise

[RBL]

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....ines/prison425

I found this article very interesting.. the report stated "In 2004, 61 percent of prison and jail inmates were of racial or ethnic minorities, the government said. An estimated 12.6 percent of all black men in their late 20s were in jails or prisons, as were 3.6 percent of Hispanic men and 1.7 percent of white men in that age group"

What are some real solutions to this problem?

[SummerChild]

open up a can of whoop azz on some of these boys when they are in the age range of 5-15 and we *might* be able to reduce some of the number of them that even *get* into court.

sc

Originally posted by RBL
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....ines/prison425

I found this article very interesting.. the report stated "In 2004, 61 percent of prison and jail inmates were of racial or ethnic minorities, the government said. An estimated 12.6 percent of all black men in their late 20s were in jails or prisons, as were 3.6 percent of Hispanic men and 1.7 percent of white men in that age group"

What are some real solutions to this problem?

[RBL]

When I saw the video of that 5 year old..getting handcuffs slapped on her... I totally understand WHY 5 is NOT too young to start

[AKA_Monet]

According to my uncle, who is a 7th Day Adventist--I don't know if that's a correlation or not, he says one needs to start at "walking age" with the "can of whoop ass" to teach right from wrong...

I just think that what gets put on Television is the low down "ghetto-fabulous" chic that "excites" and "tantilizes" the ratings--kinna like "Jerry Springer" does... Local news shows are no longer concerned about what is actually "newsworthy" but what looks good for ratings that "might be true" for the second... Because in there, you always have the "court of law", then you have the "court of public opinion"--which is only roughly 10-20 seconds at best of an attention span...

I just sat down at a YP meeting in my city about our website that we will launch and was floored by the fact that the web designer said that you only have 7-8 seconds to grab the attention of the viewer before they move past your site... But, since I am not in that field, I would have not known that bit of info... However, what does that say about the legitimacy of true information and mass media?

Propaganda to keep down the Brothaman...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by RBL
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site....ines/prison425

I found this article very interesting.. the report stated "In 2004, 61 percent of prison and jail inmates were of racial or ethnic minorities, the government said. An estimated 12.6 percent of all black men in their late 20s were in jails or prisons, as were 3.6 percent of Hispanic men and 1.7 percent of white men in that age group"

What are some real solutions to this problem?

Sorry, to answer your question:

What does the 14th Amendment to US constitution say???

Aside from that there are "reasons" to make sure Black Men are incarcerated...

And yeah, these men are bad men, true criminals that have criminal tendancies from birth, maybe--'cuz the crack babies have grown up... And God only knows what that did to these chile's brain development with the Essence article of schizophrenia on the rise in young adult Black males...

I guess there are hardly any solutions to this kind of problem except mass exterminations according to some supremacy groups...

I don't agree with that, but it may be their fodder to justify it...

[Lady of Pearl]

Mass Exterminations I Pray to God not, we the collective Community need to get involved in these young peoples lives and provide alternative programs for them boot camp, ropes, rites of passage etc. It's easy to sit back and want simplistic solutions, however it takes more effort to become involved, yes one should reach children when they are young- I was appalled by the handcuffing of that five year old child. As an educator I have at least four identified and one that just got identified special needs children in my room, believe me they try my patience but I offer Alternatives and one on one intervention at times to help them! our children deserve no less! Also, research has shown that the majority of African Americans in the penal system had some difficulty with education some were not identified as having a learning disability and thus the educational system failed to help them! ( Please note my signature at the bottom of this post!)

[TonyB06]

Sad article. Obviously there are no "simple solutions" to a problem this complex, but we have to re-commit to making sure kids have strong, positive foundations earlier in their lives. Be it strong family units, church involvement, youth sports/enrichment programs, or simply an individual who "gives a damn" about a kid, we've got to put in work.

Our chapter's Project Alpha and another partnership we have with the Boy Scouts, generally are looking at working with boys at younger ages, because they seem to get this "hardcore" mentality much sooner than earlier generations.


....Each one reach one.

[AKA_Monet]

TonyB06,

I think that there have been a very slow "recovery period" of strong Black families over the last 5-8 years (or so)...

More "educated Black men" are marrying "educated Black women" that foster a "middle to upper middle class" that support our children into the future...

In my opinion, I see that the "extended family" concept in these Black families are taking root when we have wayward family members that fail our children--apparently, the good, highly educated members are stepping in--albeit a small number of those families actually doing so...

However, I also see the stats worsening before it gets better--but those will be perceived, than actual stats... Maybe down-right miscalculated due to some systemic inherent discrimination that is on-going.

But it only takes a mustard seed to have enough faith things will change...

[Rudey]

I say ship the entire jail population to North Korea and let them go ape shit.

-Rudey
--Who's with me??

[darling1]

i think that the exisiting rehabilitation 'programs' in the prisons need to be better supported and funded. better counseling, stronger g.e.d. classes and organizations committed to providing jobs after prison should be in place so that those inmates who committ to improving their lives arent left out in the cold simply to return to 'what they know'.

of course these are lofty goals but hope springs eternal.

BTW-TONY, I CLEANED MY INBOX

Originally posted by TonyB06
Sad article. Obviously there are no "simple solutions" to a problem this complex, but we have to re-commit to making sure kids have strong, positive foundations earlier in their lives. Be it strong family units, church involvement, youth sports/enrichment programs, or simply an individual who "gives a damn" about a kid, we've got to put in work.

Our chapter's Project Alpha and another partnership we have with the Boy Scouts, generally are looking at working with boys at younger ages, because they seem to get this "hardcore" mentality much sooner than earlier generations.


....Each one reach one.

[Professor]

I have just had it - - - AA need to take resobsibility for their own community. While we are not normally the big man in charge, we sell drugs to our own folk - many don't want to support kids that we father - mother's won't stop having babies they can't take care of - many of us don't have a value system and the list goes on and on.

I just don't know what to say or do. My brother has six daughters and five babies mothers. However, I can assure you these girls have the best the best - I pay for day care, dance, basketball and a host of other things just tokeep them involved and motivated. I don't know how to change wrongs to rights for everyone but for me, knowing my Brother is not the person he should be, I do all I can for these six girl to ensure the cycle does not continue. And when my Brother has a male child, which I'm sure he will at some point, I will do the same thing. Perhaps we should all try to foster one child at a time to break the cycle for men and AA as a whole.

[sphinxpoet]

Originally posted by Professor
I have just had it - - - AA need to take resobsibility for their own community. While we are not normally the big man in charge, we sell drugs to our own folk - many don't want to support kids that we father - mother's won't stop having babies they can't take care of - many of us don't have a value system and the list goes on and on.

I just don't know what to say or do. My brother has six daughters and five babies mothers. However, I can assure you these girls have the best the best - I pay for day care, dance, basketball and a host of other things just tokeep them involved and motivated. I don't know how to change wrongs to rights for everyone but for me, knowing my Brother is not the person he should be, I do all I can for these six girl to ensure the cycle does not continue. And when my Brother has a male child, which I'm sure he will at some point, I will do the same thing. Perhaps we should all try to foster one child at a time to break the cycle for men and AA as a whole.

Education and development of youth are the key variables. Why are people not taking responsibilty for themselves? No one has taken the time to teach them of it! In order to reduce our prison systems we must invest our monies in young development. Education is the only thing that stops ignorant behavior. Here is a theory. If we taught our children about sex by asking them to ask this question before they have sex....."Can I deal with this person the rest of my life?" Let them know that any person you sleep with is a potential mother or father of your child meaning that you are tied to that person for the rest of your life. Are they truly worthy to be that person.......if all of us took a minute to ask that question many of us would say NO! But we do not think like that we think of the short term gradification of action. Let us teach our children about long term satisfaction and how it outlast short term always.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by Professor
I have just had it - - - AA need to take resobsibility for their own community. While we are not normally the big man in charge, we sell drugs to our own folk - many don't want to support kids that we father - mother's won't stop having babies they can't take care of - many of us don't have a value system and the list goes on and on.

I just don't know what to say or do. My brother has six daughters and five babies mothers. However, I can assure you these girls have the best the best - I pay for day care, dance, basketball and a host of other things just tokeep them involved and motivated. I don't know how to change wrongs to rights for everyone but for me, knowing my Brother is not the person he should be, I do all I can for these six girl to ensure the cycle does not continue. And when my Brother has a male child, which I'm sure he will at some point, I will do the same thing. Perhaps we should all try to foster one child at a time to break the cycle for men and AA as a whole.

Dear Prof. I applaud your efforts with helping your brother for HIS responsibility, which he is avoiding for whatever reason...

I think you are making some inroads to staving off the situation at least in your immediate family... That is the best each of us educated AA can do given the circumstances...

It sounds like your brother is playing dangerously with his life... The next time he impregnants a woman stupid enough to want to have his child, he might become HIV+ by that time... Then all his little girls as well as his new child will have no father--which may or may not be that much different as it is now...

How long are you going to back him up to do wrong and why is that your responsibility? When is he going to take charge of his own life and make postive choices for himself other than a pregnancy test or an AIDS test? Just asking? I really want to know, because I have a lunatic fringe brother also who is beginning to neglect his ONE son because he says he no longer loves his son's mother he's married to, currently... Moreover, his fodder he uses to justify why he treats his son's mother chitty is because she is caucasian and his son is biracial...

[AKA_Monet]

Originally posted by sphinxpoet
Education and development of youth are the key variables. Why are people not taking responsibilty for themselves? No one has taken the time to teach them of it! In order to reduce our prison systems we must invest our monies in young development. Education is the only thing that stops ignorant behavior. Here is a theory. If we taught our children about sex by asking them to ask this question before they have sex....."Can I deal with this person the rest of my life?" Let them know that any person you sleep with is a potential mother or father of your child meaning that you are tied to that person for the rest of your life. Are they truly worthy to be that person.......if all of us took a minute to ask that question many of us would say NO! But we do not think like that we think of the short term gradification of action. Let us teach our children about long term satisfaction and how it outlast short term always.

Dear Sphinxpoet,

I think it is more to it than just dealing with a person for the rest of one's life...

I think we as AA have too many obstacles in our way that push us down further--even if they are self-inflicted or friendly fire...

The main obstacle of having or fathering way too many children without responsibility is not just the money from the state or locality--because those sources are drying up, but it is the chance of sexually transmitted infections, specifically HIV, that worsens the whole game--makes it an end-game...

Yes, education is VERY, VERY, VERY important--don't get me wrong on that... But learning is a moot point for kids who only want to know what size rims they need for their next Escalade they are willing to jack...

Crime will worsen with the way things are going now... And we will have returning troops who are not getting promised VA benefits...

Like I said, things are going to get worse before they get better... 3.5 more years to go from the Great Tribulation...

[Professor]

My Brother is a bad seed but I love him. He did not take advantage of opportunities provided by my parents. My family is very middle class and the seed had the clothes, associations, love and supports just like other middle class families. He just took a wrong and different path. He is a member of the rap generation and I really attribute many of his behaviors with that thug culture.

While my brother has several kids, he supports them, spends time with them and is actually a caring parent. He lacks in the area of providing example by education and culture. I don't have time to think of the best way of describing things better but I want the girls to be in the clubs like jack and jill, the deb balls, top ladies and take dance and so forth. He does not understand the importance of shaping a child and presenting positive relations to children. He hated this type of thing which he calls middle class supreamacy while I am very supportive. Anyway, I give the girls culture and exposure to things that I value. I don't have kids and so my brother's kids, in particular two of them, are like mine.

Again, while my brother is not what he should be, he is a caring loving and supportive parent.

Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Dear Prof. I applaud your efforts with helping your brother for HIS responsibility, which he is avoiding for whatever reason...

I think you are making some inroads to staving off the situation at least in your immediate family... That is the best each of us educated AA can do given the circumstances...

It sounds like your brother is playing dangerously with his life... The next time he impregnants a woman stupid enough to want to have his child, he might become HIV+ by that time... Then all his little girls as well as his new child will have no father--which may or may not be that much different as it is now...

How long are you going to back him up to do wrong and why is that your responsibility? When is he going to take charge of his own life and make postive choices for himself other than a pregnancy test or an AIDS test? Just asking? I really want to know, because I have a lunatic fringe brother also who is beginning to neglect his ONE son because he says he no longer loves his son's mother he's married to, currently... Moreover, his fodder he uses to justify why he treats his son's mother chitty is because she is caucasian and his son is biracial...