Just would like to know you opinion

FreeBecky · #1 10-19-2005, 02:46 PM

And I know we love to give em in this community

My best friend was elected IFC president...the only odd thing here is, it's a woman. On our campus, Alpha Phi Omega is considered a greek organization just like any other, so that is how she ended up heading the group.

What I want to know is, How would you (esp you guys out there) feel if a woman became the head of the fraternitys on your campus?

FYI: My friend did deal with alot of different crap from both the fraterinities and sororities on campus, but has done a great job despite it all.

Denise_DPhiE · #2 10-19-2005, 03:03 PM

Not uncommon. Two DPhiEs are/were the President of Panhel and the President of IFC at Queens College in NY. It is accepted and good leadership is always appreciated. Queens College is the alma mater of Jerry Seinfeld.

Denise

33girl · #3 10-19-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by FreeBecky
And I know we love to give em in this community

My best friend was elected IFC president...the only odd thing here is, it's a woman. On our campus, Alpha Phi Omega is considered a greek organization just like any other, so that is how she ended up heading the group.

What I want to know is, How would you (esp you guys out there) feel if a woman became the head of the fraternitys on your campus?

FYI: My friend did deal with alot of different crap from both the fraterinities and sororities on campus, but has done a great job despite it all.

NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Alpha Phi Omega should NOT be on IFC - they can maybe get away with being on an all-Greek council, but that's about it. And looking at your college - it's not like you only have 2.5 Greek groups or something.

The issue is not her gender, the issue is the fact that she's in APO.

Tom Earp · #4 10-19-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Alpha Phi Omega should NOT be on IFC - they can maybe get away with being on an all-Greek council, but that's about it. And looking at your college - it's not like you only have 2.5 Greek groups or something.

The issue is not her gender, the issue is the fact that she's in APO.

Not to be harsh either, but what 33girl said is true.

APO is not a Member of either Council and therefore has no right to be leading IFC or NPC Organizations.

Not saying they would not do a good job, it is toatll out of character and boundrys.

Betarulz! · #5 10-19-2005, 03:57 PM

Even if there was some way for this to happen...at Nebraska, it would not be appreciated.

I don't know that at all campuses IFC and Panhel have the same sort of mildly antagonistic relationship that they do at Nebraska, but with that in place, the female president would have no real power.

I don't want anyone to think that the IFC and Panhel are actively fighting or that the exec officers don't get along, because they do get along really well (they all hang out together enough in Greek Affairs that they had well better). What I mean, is that on a number of issues there are ways in which Panhell believes they should be handled and ways in which IFC thinks the issues should be resolved. This may be more of conflict between member reps of the councils and not so much the execs. But, there is no way that a woman fully understands the perspective of the fraternities that she would be required to represent, even if she is in a co-ed organization.

But as 33girl has said, there is the far bigger issue of the "non-social" GLO's and their status as real greeks. This is one symptom of that issue.

Tom Earp · #6 10-19-2005, 04:03 PM

Betarulz, I think You hit the nail on the head=Social GLOs!

There is a big difference between Social and Service Organizations.

preciousjeni · #7 10-19-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Betarulz!
"non-social" GLO's and their status as real greeks

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

sugar and spice · #8 10-19-2005, 04:11 PM

I think it's fine. She obviously either got appointed or elected by her peers, so they must have faith in her ability to govern them.

Many schools require all Greeks to be on SOME sort of council, and if there is no all-Greek council then I don't see the problem of a co-ed group ending up being governed by either IFC or Panhel, unles, of course, their bylaws prohibit this.

That said, I hope that she has a respect for and understanding of the differences between her GLO and the social fraternities, or things could get ugly in a hurry.

33girl · #9 10-19-2005, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
I think it's fine. She obviously either got appointed or elected by her peers, so they must have faith in her ability to govern them.

Many schools require all Greeks to be on SOME sort of council, and if there is no all-Greek council then I don't see the problem of a co-ed group ending up being governed by either IFC or Panhel, unles, of course, their bylaws prohibit this.

That said, I hope that she has a respect for and understanding of the differences between her GLO and the social fraternities, or things could get ugly in a hurry.

No it's NOT fine.

It's against national APO bylaws and this chapter (which is relatively new) needs to be corrected ASAP.

And if the school is requiring this they need to be corrected as well.

FreeBecky · #10 10-19-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Alpha Phi Omega should NOT be on IFC - they can maybe get away with being on an all-Greek council, but that's about it. And looking at your college - it's not like you only have 2.5 Greek groups or something.

The issue is not her gender, the issue is the fact that she's in APO.

I see where you are coming from and yes, at a majority of schools APhiO is considered a club more than a greek organization. However, there are quite a few schools where it is more of a social fraternity than a service one (not that I agree with that, but moving on) which is why they are apart of the council. Our APhiO chapter has mixers and formals along with the community service that we provide. I believe it has to be school specific as to how everything is recongized.

33girl · #11 10-19-2005, 04:29 PM

It doesn't matter what they are "considered" or how they operate on campus. It is against national bylaws.

You HAVE an intergreek council on your campus, they can be on that, but that's it, and even that is pushing it. APO should no more be on IFC than they should be on Panhel.

And formals are one thing, but mixers with who? Sororities or fraternities? I would think someone would end up on the short end of that stick.

NebraskaDelt · #12 10-19-2005, 04:36 PM

Regardless of whether they are a GLO or a service, wouldn't the IFC have to vote on whether to allow them under the governance of the IFC to begin with? From my experience, even when organizations are voted into the IFC, there are usually standards to allowing them in (ie: NIC org, MEN, etc).

It's like allowing Alphi Phi Fraternity to be under the IFC just because the term "fraternity" is in their name.

FreeBecky · #13 10-19-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by 33girl
It doesn't matter what they are "considered" or how they operate on campus. It is against national bylaws.

You HAVE an intergreek council on your campus, they can be on that, but that's it, and even that is pushing it. APO should no more be on IFC than they should be on Panhel.

And formals are one thing, but mixers with who? Sororities or fraternities? I would think someone would end up on the short end of that stick.

I only asked for opinions and did so to gain knowledge of how different schools work in relation to greek life, Why do you choose to be nasty about it?

EDIT:

POLICY ON ASSOCIATION MEMBERSHIP: Chapters of Alpha Phi Omega shall neither seek nor accept Membership in any association consisting solely of social fraternities, except on approval of the National Board of Directors

Which we have...now what is the IFC policy?

33girl · #14 10-19-2005, 05:16 PM

I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to be nasty, but when I see this kind of thing it makes me completely insane. Nebraska Delt nailed it when he said it would be like saying "hey, Alpha Phi is a fraternity so they should be on IFC!"

IFC's policies are somewhat looser - they allow social/professional groups to be members on individual campuses and also have some groups that are on IFC and NPHC both - but I have to really question if this situation would go over.

I'm assuming the National Board (where are you, Randy?) approved this to keep the chapter on the campus, but again, the school is being absolutely DUMB if this is a requirement for APO to be there. Even if the chapter does have to be on the IFC, IMO they should have an associate (nonvoting) membership and/or opt out of holding any positions. APO doesn't rush like the other fraternities and that alone is enough to disqualify a member - male OR female - from having any sort of authority over the other groups.

FreeBecky · #15 10-19-2005, 05:26 PM

Actually, since they fall under IFC, we follow their rush rules and participate in all IFC events, which includes rush events.
We do our NM recruitment same as they do.

Another Bylaw:
AUTHORITY OF CHAPTERS: Any chapter may adopt bylaws, rules, or regulations not in conflict with the National Articles of Incorporation, the National Bylaws, the Standard Chapter Articles of Association, National Policies, or the rules, regulations, or policies of the educational institution, state, commonwealth, or territory in which the chapter is located

In the event that the rules, regualtions, or policies of the educational institution, state commonwealth, or territory in which the chapter is located are more stringent that those included in the National Articles of Incorporation, the National Bylaws, the Standard Chapter Articles of Association, or other National policies, the rules, regualtions, and policies of the host institution, state, commonwealth, or territory in which the chapter is located shall prevail...

Which means to be a member, we have to be apart of IFC because that is the rule of the School hosting the organization.