Greeks United

[SAEalumnus]

Insofar as the health and strength of our Greek Community depends upon the free and reasonable exchange of ideas in an ever increasingly diverse society, and in consideration of the varied sensibilities of our many organizations and their members, it is likely inevitable that on occasion, even without necessarily realizing it, one member may post something that another member finds objectionable.

In order to maintain civil relations and rational discussions, it is imperative that certain standards be set and uniformly maintained. This job generally falls on the Administrator of this BB, but as one person cannot possibly oversee a board of this size and with this volume of traffic, Moderators have been selected to assist the Administrator in this duty.

Moderators are people too, and are therefore not (really) all-knowing . Consequently, from time to time there may be a thread a Moderator appears to have overlooked that a given member may believe deserves special attention; likewise a Moderator's decision to move/close/edit/delete a particular thread or post may not be one with which a given member may agree. Since reasonable minds can differ on subjective matters, just because two people may disagree, it does not necessarily follow that either is wrong.

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[ladygreek]

If you really want Greek Unity, then folx have to own up. I'll start.

Yes, I and others started posting in Chit Chat and GreekLife after what some non-BLOers did on the AKA and APhiA Avenues. I was angry about it and I indicated such.

Please note that I am more of a KAZO luker, but a regular GC poster. And I was a GCer long before I joined KAZO. I have had no desire to visit the GLO specific forums, and wouldn't think about going in one of them berating their mods or their members. And I stopped reading Chit Chat a while ago because of previous raciallu inflamatory threads.

The timing was such that KAZO went down and some Kazodians came to GC to the BGLO forums and saw what had happened in two of them with the non-BGLOers. They, too, came to Chit Chat and GreekLife.

Things started going back and forth and "KAZO" posts were deleted and threads closed. And yes, many of them were inflammatory, but then so were others made by non-Kazodians that did not get deleted or closed. And as the discrimination got worse, the posts got worse.

I then encouraged others from KAZO to help me stand up for the right of uniform application of the TOS. They did, and Ilove them for it. In hindsight, it was a bad move on my part-- one done out of frustration rather than rational thought.

Now we are here.

As I stated in another thread, stay out of our business--feel free to post, but refrain from telling our BGLO mods how to run their forums, or accusing our orgs. of promoting hatred, and I will do the same.

But first, some of you need to admit to your own guilt and hypocrisy. Especially the folx that caused all of this to start by first taking in-house issues to Chit Chat, and fueling others to try to jump bad over in our houses, and those who bit and wouldn't let go, even after being told it was being handled.

I apologize to the mods in Chit Chat and GreekLife for my instigation in this, and I hope someone will apologize to the AKA and APhiA mods.

[Optimist Prime]

we all wear greek letters so if you make your pledges eat cat litter, then please change your name to not greek letters, and to all incoming freshmen: don't join my fraternity ifyou like to eat cat litter

[Optimist Prime]

wow, big deal you ate cat sh)t to get your letters. That doesn't prove anything except that you are moron for eating cat shit. if you like to eat cat shit, don't join my fraternity (say jarEd, my little brother)

[Tom Earp]

While I cannot and do not keep and check all GLO Threads, I guess I am missing something here?

It seems that there were innuendos and it has grown from there.
LadyGreek, if you would PM Me and give me a full low down, I would be more than happy to converse with you.

But, it seems that some of the saner and cooler heads do prevail.

If some of the hot heads want to keep up some of the trash that is being put on Site (GC), then there will be repercusions by those Mods who every right to do so. That means: Deletion, Editing, Moving Thread to the Mod Corner, or recommending that the Person who continues to be banned by the Site Adm./The Owner.

I hope your cooler head will prevail!

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by ladygreek
As I stated in another thread, stay out of our business--feel free to post, but refrain from telling our BGLO mods how to run their forums, or accusing our orgs. of promoting hatred, and I will do the same.

If you have private business, start a private forum somewhere else.

As far as hatred, I don't recall anyone of accusing any organization (specifically Alpha Phi Alpha) of promoting hatred. I did, however, accuse the members of such groups of tolerating hatred.

As a human being, when I see that kind of silence, I will call it out. I've been vocal on GC when I've seen it from all ethnic backgrounds, and will continue to be so.

There are still many apologies owed from all those who were dismissive of PHAShriner. Attempting to diminish his hatred and racism diminishes all of us, and the collective stated ideals of those organizations that aspire to higher ideals.

Greeks can be united when we all attempt to live up to our stated ideals. It applies to all of us, and it was not just NPHC members who were offensive in this recent online melee. The "Barbarians" thread should have been shut down, but lets not pretend that this was the opening salvo. It wasn't even close. Until just one person who posted in one of PHAShriners threads displays the human decency to denounce him, in my eyes, the common ground that I thought existed was just an illusion.

[starang21]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
If you have private business, start a private forum somewhere else.

As far as hatred, I don't recall anyone of accusing any organization (specifically Alpha Phi Alpha) of promoting hatred. I did, however, accuse the members of such groups of tolerating hatred.

As a human being, when I see that kind of silence, I will call it out. I've been vocal on GC when I've seen it from all ethnic backgrounds, and will continue to be so.

There are still many apologies owed from all those who were dismissive of PHAShriner. Attempting to diminish his hatred and racism diminishes all of us, and the collective stated ideals of those organizations that aspire to higher ideals.

Greeks can be united when we all attempt to live up to our stated ideals. It applies to all of us, and it was not just NPHC members who were offensive in this recent online melee. The "Barbarians" thread should have been shut down, but lets not pretend that this was the opening salvo. It wasn't even close. Until just one person who posted in one of PHAShriners threads displays the human decency to denounce him, in my eyes, the common ground that I thought existed was just an illusion.

who said anything about being silent? do you know whether or not PMs between the alphas were sent out? don't be so sure that because it wasn't done publicly, that it wasn't done at all. you're quick to assume that they didn't do anything about it because there wasn't a post blasting him in front of everyone. one of the aspects of brotherhood is to never air out family business. i've said things on this site that bruhs weren't particularly keen on, and best believe there was a PM in my inbox the next day. don't be so quick to assume that there was silence in anyway. just because you didn't see it, doesn't mean it wasnt there.

and in regards to people posting in their thoughts in a thread specifically meant for BGLO members, don't be so nosy or so offended when your opinions don't mater. the issues discussed don't relate nor do they concern you. if they did, do any of you people honestly think that they would have been specific asking BGLO members that question? that's like jumping in family business when it's not your family. how utterly ridiculous is that?

and if none of you people can handle someone on this site thinking that your opinion holds no water, i urge you all to grow a pair of nuts and grow your sensitive asses up.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
Until just one person who posted in one of PHAShriners threads displays the human decency to denounce him, in my eyes, the common ground that I thought existed was just an illusion.

I have said numerous times over there and over here that I have challenged PHA on his views. I also said that I got to a point that I just don't even bother to read his tirades. And I definitely wasn't going to take the time to go to his website. Why? Because he and his views don't interest me.

But because I haven't specifically posted that he is a racist (and there are those who say Blacks can't be racist--but that is a whole another discussion that is already in progress,) I am tolerating his bigotry? Come on now.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by ladygreek
I am tolerating his bigotry? Come on now.

Tolerating bigotry is a central theme on GC. It is only getting attention now because of who was offended this time around.