DISCRETION

[NUPE4LIFE]

I am the moderator, therefore it is left up to me to decide if I feel somethings are not to be discussed here in this forum. If I find a post that I feel is inappropriate, I will delete it. And one last thing, the history of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. is for members only. For interest: Discussion of any thing written in the book the Divine Nine, will not be tolerated in this forum. If you post a topic based on something you read in that book, it will be deleted. If brothers have a question about this post please email me.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE:
And one last thing, the history of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. is for members only.

If that is the case, why do I have a copy of your history book that one of your brothers referred me to?

I ask this out of genuine curiosity; all jokes aside.

[ManndingoNUPE]

Rain Man,

Why oh why would you even want to have the Story, unless you are trying to join our frat. I don't see the need for you to know our history. Oh, and please let me know the name and chapter of the "suposed" bra that referred you to that book.

MN

[NUPE4LIFE]

I'm just shaking my head right now. I'm with you bruh. What brother would give you a copy of the Story? Where is he? DISCRETION PEOPLE!

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

[kingtut]

with all do respect. i've been doing some
research and most of our history books you
can get at the store, on line or at the public library.I for one think that any one
who even thinks about being in a frat should
know what that frat is about and history before he joins.

BGLO love

"00006"
kingtut

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE:
Rain Man,

Why oh why would you even want to have the Story, unless you are trying to join our frat. I don't see the need for you to know our history. Oh, and please let me know the name and chapter of the "suposed" bra that referred you to that book.

MN

For the record, I am studying the history of ALL NINE NPHC organizations and have history books to quite a few of them already. There is something about the history of the 9 NPHC organizations that intrigues me (NO, I have NO intentions of perping ANY of them, such tomfoolery is beneath my dignity). As far as you not seeing the need for me to know your history, right now that is a moot point, as I have read your history off & on for over 6 years and I obviously cannot erase my brain. NO, I have NOT shared my knowledge with ANYONE, nor do I have any plans to. As far as who referred me to the book, it was a brother from the local alumni chapter who was in his 40s or 50s. I do not know his name, as we spoke very briefly at a social function 7-8 years ago.

Bottom line: what's done is done, but I have in no ways compounded this so-called issue.
Please let it go for what it's worth.

Da Rain Man

[ManndingoNUPE]

KingTut, while I agree that the history books of each of the Divine 9 is not impossible to get, we shouldn't make it easy for people either. I remember back in college, the library supposedly had a copy of each of the divine 9 books, of course they were always stolen, Uh, I mean checked out, by members as quickly as the library could get them.

I agree that a person should have a certain amount of information regarding the frat they choose. And while nothing highly secretive is placed in these books, I still think that they should go the old rout of gaining their info. Talking to bras, or heck the internet is chock full of stuff. There are many ways to obtain this information. I know that my very own blood brother, and my best friend would not even let me hold their books until after I became a member.

Rainman, while I may understand you interest in all of the Divine 9's histories, I still have a problem with a brother giving or referring you to "The Story", that's just my own view. While I do believe that there are parts of our history that should be made public, such as Elder Watson Diggs crusade against housing discrimination, and some of the other battles that our beloved founders waged against unjust practices in Indiana and elsewhere.

Just my observation.

MN

[NUPE4LIFE]

That's exactly what I'm saying frat. We shouldn't make this info readily available to non-members. One of my mentors was a Kappa. He let me see the book, but he never let me hold the book. In fact, he never let me read the book in his presence. Just because the info is out there, doesn't mean that we should be handing out the info on every street corner.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

[This message has been edited by NUPE4LIFE (edited September 04, 2000).]

[NUPE4LIFE]

Mr. Ross, thank you for your post.

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

[Rain Man]

Hmmm, it seems like that I have opened up a Pandora's box (unintentially, of course). I have read the aforementioned responses and I have a couple of questions (BTW, these questions transcend just K A Psi, but apply equally to the other NPHC orgs).

If most of the history books are generally public record (ie available at bookstores or libraries), why is there vibes of selfishness, hypocrisy, and ambiguity to hide it, especially when (a) it's not secret material and (b) prospecive Greeks are asked to research ALL the fraternities or sororities (depending on what sex you are) before making a final decision. It's one thing not to just blurt out the history, it's another thing totally to make the research a scavenger hunt.

I have noticed that many Black Greeks get upset at Black students who join White GLOs and/or form their own GLOs and I hear many times a "sour grapes" rationalization from those Greeks such as "Well, those students just don't understand the history and traditions of the NPHC orgs." My question is this: How do you expect them (or students in general) to appreciate the struggles the NPHC orgs had to go through to get to where Black Americans are today if you claim that such knowledge is secret or on a need-to-know basis? In all fairness, they cannot be faulted for that.

I do find Black Greek history an integral part of our Black American history and movement. The hypocrisy I have seen is that the same Black Greeks that try to hide their history ("steal" BGLO history books from the library, rip out their org's section from the book "Baird Manual of American College Fraternities", etc.) are the same ones that complain that their history courses lack or have insufficient information about African or African-Anerican history. The hypocrisy is that the professor (and/or the textbook authors) probably had the same intent that the complaining Greek did.

I applaud Lawrence Ross for writing "The Divine Nine". It was DEFINATELY a step in the right direction, a much-needed step.

Last to N4L: I only have one question for you: What do plan on accomplishing by repressing a topic on Kappa history and/or The Divine Nine? This is your forum and I respect that, but at the same time I sadly shake my head.

Sorry for the textbook. I'm off the soapbox.

Da Rain Man

[ManndingoNUPE]

RainMan,

Like my Brothe N4L said, we are basically giving you our personal feelings. Let me say that our feelings may not be that of our leadership or that of other brothers. You can disagree with us, Kool, that is your option, but I do and I will feel the way that I do about people obtaining info.

I believe that it should be learned in a certain way. That's my story, and I am stiking to it.

MN

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE:
I just wanna say this Rain Man. In no way am I repressing Kappa history. I just feel like this, I do believe a lot should be left to learn when one is in the process of becoming a member. That's just my opinion.\

No matter how much GLO history you learn during the process, you will ALWAYS have something new to learn after you go over.

As an Alpha Phi Omega, I had VERY little knowledge of the fraternity history other than from "Baird's Manual" and the APQ pledge manual. When the APQ history book came out (a year and a half after I went over), I read it, but after a while I didn't feel it was comprehensive enough (ie. it was more like an APQ yearbook--too many pictures and cutouts, not enough detailed objective facts about the fraternity, though the "In The Beginning" chapter IMHO was the bomb). In short, I was looking for APQ 499 and the history book was more like APQ 101.

Nonetheless, even if there was an APQ history book before I went over and I read it beforehand, I still would've been searching for more info, because my love for my frat is THAT STRONG. I hope more BGLO members see that if a prospecive reading the history book before they go over is not a matter of the prospective knowing everything there is about [BGLO here], but rather adding fuel to his/her desire to join, PLUS continuing to research the history on his/her org after they go over. The additional knowledge you obtain as a brother is a VERY glorious feeling.

MN, I respect your post wholeheartedly. This is America and you can believe what you wish.

Thanx for the chat. I enjoyed it a lot!

Holla @ me sometime!

Da Rain Man

[NUPE4LIFE]

What's up Rain Man. I'm your frat.


Alpha Phi Omega
15-IP-98
#1465

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

[NUPE4LIFE]

I just wanna say this Rain Man. In no way am I repressing Kappa history. I just feel like this, I do believe a lot should be left to learn when one is in the process of becoming a member. That's just my opinion.\

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KAPPA ALPHA PSI FRATERNITY, INC.
SPR 97
XI LAMBDA

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE:
What's up Rain Man. I'm your frat.


Alpha Phi Omega
15-IP-98
#1465

Whazup, Frat!! I know you was an A-Phi-Q and I shoulda gave you a holla a while back. I am not sure of your current status with A-Phi-Q now. Lemme know about your pledge experience with A-Phi-Q at Florida State--hit me on the e, my email address is in my profile. Skeet Skeet.

MandingoNupe, I got your email and I will respond in just a minute. So hang tight.

Thanx for the luv, folx.

See yall layta.

Rain Man