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Old 01-25-2005, 08:47 PM
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Did you know?!?!?

I got this in an email forward and felt so strongly about it I'd like to post it here....it had pictures too but I'm unable to post those. I felt it would be better to post this here than in Chit Chat.


DID YOU KNOW?
As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view ... it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?
As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.

DID YOU KNOW?
As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall,
right above where the Supreme Court judges sit,
a display of the Ten Commandments!

DID YOU KNOW?
There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.
DID YOU KNOW?
James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:

"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."
DID YOU KNOW?
Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
DID YOU KNOW?
As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers and each one is facing one in the middle who is facing forward with a full frontal view ... it is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments!




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DID YOU KNOW?


As you enter the Supreme Court courtroom, the two huge oak doors have the Ten Commandments engraved on each lower portion of each door.










DID YOU KNOW?


As you sit inside the courtroom, you can see the wall,
right above where the Supreme Court judges sit,
a display of the Ten Commandments!












DID YOU KNOW?




There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.







DID YOU KNOW?




James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement:


"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."




DID YOU KNOW?









Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".
DID YOU KNOW?
Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.
DID YOU KNOW?
Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.
DID YOU KNOW?
Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law an oligarchy the rule of few over many.
DID YOU KNOW?
The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said:
"Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."

So then can you tell me how, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having the 10 commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!! Or go back to their country to live.


My own words: While i do believe strongly in what the person who started this has stated in the alst paragraph, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any of the historical facts here are accurate? I just find it kind of contradictory if the Supreme Court rules that the Ten Commandments cant be displayed in a court house if they themselves have them hanging in their court room. Anyone know????

Also, I'm sure I offended some by posting this. Partially this was my intent for a selected few here, but I dont think badly of the rest that may feel differently than me. This is just my opinion, and everyone has one
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Old 01-26-2005, 11:12 AM
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Re: Did you know?!?!?

I can't answer your historical questions (and as with most quotations from the time, unless they were written in a publication by the supposed author, accuracy is never assured), but dude this post is so funny. Here:

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So then can you tell me how, then, have we gotten to the point that everything we have done for 220 years in this country is now suddenly wrong and unconstitutional?
a.) this doesn't represent "everything we've done for 220 years"

b.) the entire point of the constitution is to make religion free and accessible for everyone, making none of them illegal

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It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having the 10 commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!! Or go back to their country to live.
This is great, just so funny - "If you don't believe in God, go back to your own country!" I hope this isn't the part you 'strongly agree' with, because I'm an American citizen, 5th generation Irish Protestant, and my little brother is an atheist. Boy, I'd hate to have to send him back to his nation - wherever the hell that would be. It's just nonsense, kiddo - rule your own life by God, rule the nation by law, and never the twain shall meet.

Also, the Supreme Court building, the Capital building, etc - these all weren't built on the day the Constitution was signed. In fact, DC wasn't even the capital of the nation then, IIRC. So these were decisions made post hoc, and they were poor ones. "Majority rule" may apply to lawmaking, but it does not apply to constitutional protections - and the Ten Commandments have no place in lawmaking, even if the majority of them have become, in turn, laws. They're great moral rules, but that sort of process is expressly forbidden.
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Old 01-26-2005, 12:18 PM
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I'd send your brother to Guam and make him pick pineapples for me until he believed in the good lord and your mom dated me exclusively.

-Rudey

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I can't answer your historical questions (and as with most quotations from the time, unless they were written in a publication by the supposed author, accuracy is never assured), but dude this post is so funny. Here:



a.) this doesn't represent "everything we've done for 220 years"

b.) the entire point of the constitution is to make religion free and accessible for everyone, making none of them illegal



This is great, just so funny - "If you don't believe in God, go back to your own country!" I hope this isn't the part you 'strongly agree' with, because I'm an American citizen, 5th generation Irish Protestant, and my little brother is an atheist. Boy, I'd hate to have to send him back to his nation - wherever the hell that would be. It's just nonsense, kiddo - rule your own life by God, rule the nation by law, and never the twain shall meet.

Also, the Supreme Court building, the Capital building, etc - these all weren't built on the day the Constitution was signed. In fact, DC wasn't even the capital of the nation then, IIRC. So these were decisions made post hoc, and they were poor ones. "Majority rule" may apply to lawmaking, but it does not apply to constitutional protections - and the Ten Commandments have no place in lawmaking, even if the majority of them have become, in turn, laws. They're great moral rules, but that sort of process is expressly forbidden.
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Old 01-26-2005, 12:25 PM
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Re: Did you know?!?!?

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My own words: While i do believe strongly in what the person who started this has stated in the alst paragraph, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any of the historical facts here are accurate?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp


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Why don't we just tell the 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!! Or go back to their country to live.
I am living in my country
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Old 01-26-2005, 12:54 PM
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

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Old 01-26-2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by ThetaPrincess24
It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having the 10 commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!! Or go back to their country to live.
"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Old 01-26-2005, 01:47 PM
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Re: Did you know?!?!?

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Originally posted by ThetaPrincess24

It is said that 86% of Americans believe in God. Therefore I have a very hard time understanding why there is such a mess about having the 10 commandments on display or "In God We Trust" on our money and having God in the Pledge of Allegiance. Why don't we just tell the 14% to Sit Down and SHUT UP!!! Or go back to their country to live.


My own words: While i do believe strongly in what the person who started this has stated in the alst paragraph, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any of the historical facts here are accurate? I just find it kind of contradictory if the Supreme Court rules that the Ten Commandments cant be displayed in a court house if they themselves have them hanging in their court room. Anyone know????

Also, I'm sure I offended some by posting this. Partially this was my intent for a selected few here, but I dont think badly of the rest that may feel differently than me. This is just my opinion, and everyone has one
Do you firmly believe in telling 14% of our fellow Americans who do not believe in God to "Sit down and shut up" and to "Go back to their own country to live"? Also, why would you intentionally offend a selected few here? I'm trying to clarify because this post was so long and so full of holes that I am confused.

I think that religion is a private issue and shouldn't be forced down people's throats. I respect the diversity of our nation enough to understand that 'majority rules' isn't always what is best. I really believe that freedom of and from religion is the foundation of our nation and shouldn't be undermined.
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"What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Old 01-26-2005, 01:53 PM
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Do you firmly believe in telling 14% of our fellow Americans who do not believe in God to "Sit down and shut up" and to "Go back to their own country to live"? Also, why would you intentionally offend a selected few here? I'm trying to clarify because this post was so long and so full of holes that I am confused.

I think that religion is a private issue and shouldn't be forced down people's throats. I respect the diversity of our nation enough to understand that 'majority rules' isn't always what is best. I really believe that freedom of and from religion is the foundation of our nation and shouldn't be undermined.
I believe in the entire thing, these were her only words:
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My own words: While i do believe strongly in what the person who started this has stated in the alst paragraph, I was wondering if anyone could tell me if any of the historical facts here are accurate? I just find it kind of contradictory if the Supreme Court rules that the Ten Commandments cant be displayed in a court house if they themselves have them hanging in their court room. Anyone know????

Also, I'm sure I offended some by posting this. Partially this was my intent for a selected few here, but I dont think badly of the rest that may feel differently than me. This is just my opinion, and everyone has one
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Old 01-26-2005, 04:04 PM
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Thumbs down Oh hell no!

What she said! Where do some people get off being high and mighty and holier than thou? (I just gotta ask!)

I don't get the "my way or the highway" crap. Or the "my way is the only way to worship". No wonder more and more people are turned off by religion. We are a diverse nation and dammit I hope we can keep it that way without religion being shoved down our throat. How I worship (or not worship) is no one's business and dammit I am not going to let a bunch of zealots chase me out of MY country!

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Do you firmly believe in telling 14% of our fellow Americans who do not believe in God to "Sit down and shut up" and to "Go back to their own country to live"? Also, why would you intentionally offend a selected few here? I'm trying to clarify because this post was so long and so full of holes that I am confused.

I think that religion is a private issue and shouldn't be forced down people's throats. I respect the diversity of our nation enough to understand that 'majority rules' isn't always what is best. I really believe that freedom of and from religion is the foundation of our nation and shouldn't be undermined.
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Old 01-26-2005, 04:24 PM
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Did you know that Snopes.com is the bomb DOT com?

Did you know that I have been to the Supreme Court and what they say in their lecture is pretty much identical to what Snopes says?

Did you also know that nowhere in the Catholic catechism are we encouraged to promulgate lies on the interweb and embarass other members of our faith?

Did you know that every fourth email forward is a lie?

BOYCOTT INTOLERANCE!

Did you know that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot and 100% of Christians that I've talked to today agree with the seperation of church and state and all but one of them is rabidly pro-choice?

This is just my opinion. I'm only trying to piss off a select few, and I respect everyone else's opinion.
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Old 01-26-2005, 04:26 PM
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The U.S. was never as Christian as today's Evangelicals claim, nor will it ever be.

Benjamin Franklin would despute most of that e-mail. It was he who altered the Constitution to change a reference that our laws are the will of God. Instead it references that we are rational beings.
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Old 01-26-2005, 04:29 PM
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The U.S. was never as Christian as today's Evangelicals claim, nor will it ever be.

Benjamin Franklin would despute most of that e-mail. It was he who altered the Constitution to change a reference that our laws are the will of God. Instead it references that we are rational beings.
Did you know that Benjamin Franklin slept through church?
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Did you know that Snopes.com is the bomb DOT com?

Did you know that I have been to the Supreme Court and what they say in their lecture is pretty much identical to what Snopes says?

Did you also know that nowhere in the Catholic catechism are we encouraged to promulgate lies on the interweb and embarass other members of our faith?

Did you know that every fourth email forward is a lie?

BOYCOTT INTOLERANCE!

Did you know that 95% of statistics are made up on the spot and 100% of Christians that I've talked to today agree with the seperation of church and state and all but one of them is rabidly pro-choice?

This is just my opinion. I'm only trying to piss off a select few, and I respect everyone else's opinion.
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Did you know that Benjamin Franklin slept through church?
I did not know that.

Did you know that he might have been dreaming of a Parisian prostitute?
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