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09-30-2004, 10:50 PM
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Kerry appears more presidential then Bush during the Debate
Kerry was on top of his game, he was well perpared for this debate I believe he backed Bush up and made him appeared to be off balanced and confused.
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09-30-2004, 10:54 PM
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Although both candidates did well tonight, I thought that Kerry was phenomenal.
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09-30-2004, 10:58 PM
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I think the way Kerry handled himself Bush offguard. Bush seemed flustered for most of the debate. I do look to him being better prepared for the next debate.
However, I do belive Bush got an ole fashion b!tch slappin'.
I'm happy that the debate wasn't as boring as I thought it would be with all the friggin rules. I'm very glad that the media said "screw you" to the camera angle stuff and did what they wanted to!
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09-30-2004, 11:18 PM
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I like how some of you are saying what most analysts didn't even say.
Both candidates appeared strong. Kerry still had issues with talking down to people and with his language. Bush had issues with being slightly flustered with his speech before picking up on his Texan twang when he reached his comfort zone. Bush was able to strongly show how Kerry had flip-flopped over and over to my delight.
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09-30-2004, 11:54 PM
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I think that they both did well. I didn't watch the post-debate analysis.
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10-01-2004, 12:46 AM
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Bush was able to strongly show how Kerry had flip-flopped over and over to my delight.
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Well, he said it enough times in several different ways, but frankly, I thought Kerry was able to blunt it pretty well.
I think the The President did appear flustered, and I think Kerry managed to come across as authoratative (offering more and stronger "facts") and and much more personable than usual. Off the cuff speaking is not one of Bush's strong points. I agree that he (hopefully) will work harder before the next debate.
As NBC's Tim Russert said, there were no knockouts tonight, but the "undecided" voters from Ohio (a strong Republican state for as long as I can remember -- and I grew up there in a Republican family) all thought that Kerry carried the night -- at least for them. It is telling, though, that most of them weren't ready to say that tonight had made them decide one way or another -- that they wanted to see the other debates, etc.
Over all, I would score it as a close call -- but a "win" for Kerry.
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10-01-2004, 01:22 AM
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I caught the first hour. I'm looking forward to the next debate and to see what the topics will be. Though unavoidable, this entire campaign season has focuses around the war on terror. Not saying this isn't important, but I'd like to see a focus on homeland issues rather than just the security of it in the next debate.
But I agree with everyone else. I'm not a Republican, but not a huge fan of Kerry either. But Kerry seemed better prepared. It just seemed Bush ended every argument with "I'm/we're gonna win. The End."
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10-01-2004, 01:22 AM
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I pretty much agree with DeltAlum.
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10-01-2004, 03:53 AM
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Well, he said it enough times in several different ways, but frankly, I thought Kerry was able to blunt it pretty well.
I think the The President did appear flustered, and I think Kerry managed to come across as authoratative (offering more and stronger "facts") and and much more personable than usual. Off the cuff speaking is not one of Bush's strong points. I agree that he (hopefully) will work harder before the next debate.
As NBC's Tim Russert said, there were no knockouts tonight, but the "undecided" voters from Ohio (a strong Republican state for as long as I can remember -- and I grew up there in a Republican family) all thought that Kerry carried the night -- at least for them. It is telling, though, that most of them weren't ready to say that tonight had made them decide one way or another -- that they wanted to see the other debates, etc.
Over all, I would score it as a close call -- but a "win" for Kerry.
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Agreed.
Several different polls conducted after the debates all showed that voters both decided and undecided thought Kerry was stronger. Several polls I've seen online are skewed heavily in Kerry's direction (70-30 and 80-12 with the remaining 8 percent calling it a draw), although of course internet polling has its own biases. The "random" polls were slightly more even, but Kerry still garnered 50%-plus in all cases. From what I saw, most of the analysts, even conservative ones, thought Kerry performed much stronger than Bush overall.
If conservatives are happy with Bush's debates, I'm not really too worried . . . the real factor here is the undecided voters, and as of right now it looks like their scale is tipped toward Kerry.
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10-01-2004, 06:34 AM
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I found the debate to be more engaging than I had expected. When it was over, I was surprised that 90 minutes had passed already.
As a known Kerry supporter here, I have these observations:
Bush was flustered at times, searching for the words he wanted and Kerry did not have that problem. I was disgusted with him though, as I usually am.
I completely agree with Bush that he rules from the heart and his values system. I completely believe that he BELIEVES he is right and has strong convictions which do not change. This is also what frightens me. It is what is comforting to some people. I think our President should be ruling with his head, not his heart. Some believe that the President should rule with his heart and never waver from his own belief systems. Ultimately, I am frightened by his belief systems. He sees things as black and white. Things are right or wrong, period. There are no grey areas. We will win. We had to go war when we did. Homosexuals should not marry. Iraq was a threat to the US. Marriage is essential in our society (by heterosexuals). I completely believe that Bush thinks his views are correct and I admire him in some ways for that, but at the same time, I don't agree with his value systems and views, so it frightens me that he is so unwavering. I can say that he is sincere.
I prefer a leader who, with more facts, can change his mind about an issue. l prefer a leader who can see the grey areas and know that sometimes he might not personally agree with something, but that doesn't make it right, Constitutionally. I don't want someone to be so convinced that his way of thinking is the only way of a thinking that all policies are based on that alone. There are 275,000 million people in this country and we aren't all going to agree that what one man believes is the best thing for our country. It doesn't mean that we're unpatriotic or heathens. We just have a different point of view.
Everybody agrees that Iraq was a threat. The more important question is: Were they an immediate threat that required immediate action? Did we have Iraq contained with the weapons inspectors present and working there at the time that we decided to go to war? Was it more important to keep our primary focus in Afghanistan and on Osama bin Laden?
Do you feel we are less likely to have a major terrorist attack here in the U.S. than we were on September 10, 2001? I don't.
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10-01-2004, 08:16 AM
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The polls in Central Florida are also showing that Kerry "won" this debate.
I'm curious to see what happens over these next 5 weeks.
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10-01-2004, 08:18 AM
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I thought Kerry was very strong. A note on Ohio, I was born and raised there and the state can be considered in most elections a "swing state". Clinton carried it both times and every presidential candidate who has won regardless of party has carried Ohio.
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10-01-2004, 08:50 AM
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The Debates...
I figured Kerry would "win" the debate so to speak because he is a better politician and he is a better debater. If one wants a president that can do better in debates..then Kerry is your man. How shallow is your knowledge of politics and current events though if this is what you're basing your decision on?? I actually prefer a President who won't be shaken on doing what's right regardless of polls and politics...and whose primary objective will be to defend America...not get "global favor."
I think it all boils down to whose approach one thinks is better on handling the war in Iraq. Kerry scares me because he doesn't see Iraq's role in the war on terror. He talks as if we would have caught Bin Laden that the war on terror would be over. Kerry has the luxury of looking at everything after the fact and saying what he would have..should have...and could have done...but a Commander in Chief doesn't have that luxury. Kerry saw the same intelligence and voted to go to war..but now its the wrong war at the wrong time and the wrong place. He strikes me as a president who'd kiss butt to the global world...because he tries to be all things to all people.
I think I respect people more that are in the Anybody But Bush Club..because how anyone could actually be sincere in their vote for Scary Kerry is beyond me.
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10-01-2004, 08:55 AM
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Interesting Results from Gallop
Kerry Wins Debate
John Kerry won the debate Thursday night, 53% to 37%, according to a random sample of 615 registered voters who watched the event. Almost half of the viewers said they felt more favorable about the senator because of the debate, and 60% said Kerry expressed himself more clearly than did President Bush. Despite the positive assessment, viewers said they favored Bush in handling the war in Iraq and serving as commander in chief, little changed from opinions expressed before the debate. And a majority of viewers said it was Bush who better demonstrated he is tough enough for the job.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=13237
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10-01-2004, 09:10 AM
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I think Bush wins on substance, but Kerry wins on style.
My favorite part was when Kerry started to expound on how he thought bilateral talks with North Korea were a good idea. I think words like "Bilateral" are too big for most Americans. Bilateral means TWO -- then he says he's going to include China? Wouldnt' that make it trilateral Mr. Senator?
I'd like for someone to give me a stat on how many times Kerry actually flip flopped up there on the podium. I noticed it several times and wished I had been keeping score.
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