Man ordered not to give abortion advice Lawsuit Says Women Were Misled to Delay Abortions

[moe.ron]

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I think Mr. Graham should pay child supports for every women he misled.

[IowaStatePhiPsi]

hmmm. he's a retard for using a very similar sounding name, I'm surprised the clinic hasn't filed a suit based on that.

[AXOjen]

Ugh. I've worked in a crisis pregnancy center and we would never have resorted to such tactics. I understand the desire to save the life of a child but the mother needs to be loved, respected and cared for, too. There is no room for lies and deceit in compassionate counseling. There is also no need... factual information and concrete support go much further in helping a mother, father and child.

But when thinking about the young woman who got "duped" out of an abortion and is now having a baby... when we look at that baby after he or she is born... we should consider that that person is the very person that an abortion would have killed.

[Lady Pi Phi]

He misreprsented himself. Isn't that illegal??

[kappaloo]

His actions were unacceptable, unethical and (personally) I hope he rots in jail.

ETA: my original post created too much discussion not related to the topic. I apologise and hope we can move on - I didn't mean to create such a tangent. People insteaded in my knowledge of so called "crisis" centres should e-mail me, and for the record, my knowledge far exceeds the show I watched. kthxbi

[wrigley]

He's a tax preparer not a liscensed counselor. He knew exactly what he was doing when he named his business. Jerk

Not every woman who has an abortion does so as a matter of convenience. Roe v. Wade guarantees that women should have the right to do what is best for her. That young woman's right was taken away by that quack.

[Jill1228]

Thank you! He needs his ass kicked and for him to rot in jail!

Personally I don't know why these women were taking advice from him. For one, he is not an MD. For another, unless he can get periods and get pregnant, he ain't walking a mile in my stilettos and can't say jack to me!

Originally posted by wrigley
He's a tax preparer not a liscensed counselor. He knew exactly what he was doing when he named his business. Jerk

Not every woman who has an abortion does so as a matter of convenience. Roe v. Wade guarantees that women should have the right to do what is best for her. That young woman's right was taken away by that quack.

[AXOjen]

Kappaloo, I share your anger at what this man has done. But I'm skeptical that a "vast" number of crisis pregnancy centers spread "malice, guilt and deceit". I have heard rumors of questionable tactics being used, but I don't believe that vast numbers of clinics do so.

What more often goes unreported are the unethical tactics used by some abortion clinics. After all... they stand to make a profit from a woman's decision to have an abortion. Former abortionists tell of performing abortions on women who weren't even pregnant. The bottom line is the bottom line.

I'm looking forward to the media expose` about the deceit perpetuated by billion dollar abortion industry.

[wrigley]

AXOjen apparently kappaloo saw a news program that did show these centers were misrepresenting the facts. If they were being above board then there would be no story.

I'm unfamiliar with the type of tax status of these crisis centers receive, are they non-profit? If they are when someone donates money to a non-profit institution they're allowed to take a tax deduction on their taxes. If not the patients being seen in these center by doctors and use Medicaid for payment as well as insurance are paying to those centers too. Money is being exchanged their as well. Some of these centers may not be as above board as the one you worked at. It happens.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by AXOjen
But when thinking about the young woman who got "duped" out of an abortion and is now having a baby... when we look at that baby after he or she is born... we should consider that that person is the very person that an abortion would have killed.

So who gets stuck raising that baby?

[33girl]

Originally posted by AXOjen
Kappaloo, I share your anger at what this man has done. But I'm skeptical that a "vast" number of crisis pregnancy centers spread "malice, guilt and deceit". I have heard rumors of questionable tactics being used, but I don't believe that vast numbers of clinics do so.

kappaloo is Canadian. She's talking about a documentary that was shown on Canadian TV, and ergo, Canadian crisis pregnancy centers. It may be different than here in the US.

The issue is not whether you're for or against abortion, it's the fact that this man represented his establishment as something it was not. It would be the same deal if a clinic pushing quack remedies for cancer called itself Sloan and Kettering Cancer Center and were down the street from the real Sloan-Kettering.

[AXOjen]

So who gets stuck raising that baby?

What an ugly way at looking at the privilege of raising a child. If the baby's mother is unable or unwilling to raise the child there are many loving couples who would feel blessed to get "stuck raising that baby". If the mother does decide to raise her child, I agree that she should receive support from this man. Not to mention from the father of the baby.

33girl, I understand your point and agree with you completely.

Wrigley, the centers at which I worked and others with which I'm familiar are non-profits. We don't have doctors on staff... we refer the clients to a doctor, if they request and we help them get paper work in order, if need be. Any money coming in goes right back out to the clients and to the costs of running the center.

I understand that Kappaloo saw a program on television. I'm just saying that I'm waiting to see a similar program that reveals the abuses of the abortion industry. I have a feeling I'll be waiting a long time... and not because there is no story to be told.

[kddani]

Originally posted by AXOjen
What an ugly way at looking at the privilege of raising a child. If the baby's mother is unable or unwilling to raise the child there are many loving couples who would feel blessed to get "stuck raising that baby".

Then please explain why there are so many children in foster homes, orphanages, etc.

As has been stated, this isn't really a pro choice vs. pro life debate. This man deliberately misrepresented himself. Can we maybe try to stay on topic and not have this turn out into an all out abortion battle?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by kddani
Then please explain why there are so many children in foster homes, orphanages, etc.

As has been stated, this isn't really a pro choice vs. pro life debate. This man deliberately misrepresented himself. Can we maybe try to stay on topic and not have this turn out into an all out abortion battle?

Not to mention the many kids who are abused in these foster homes, and how many of them turn 18 without any parental figure ever in their life, and how many of them are now walking the streets or dealing drugs because they had no structure or direction?

[AXOjen]

Then please explain why there are so many children in foster homes, orphanages, etc.

There are many reasons... not all children in foster homes are available for adoption. Often times the parental rights have not been terminated. Sometimes the children are just there temporarily, while the parents get off drugs and find employment.

It breaks my heart as much as I'm sure it does yours when children are abused and neglected by anyone. But I don't draw the conclusion that it would be better off if they had never been born.

Just because I disagree with some viewpoints here doesn't mean that I'm trying to turn this into an abortion debate. I'm just sharing my opinions the same way you are sharing yours. And we do agree on one thing... that this man acted inappropriately and hopefully, illegally.