Charles Taylor and Pat Robertson

[moe.ron]

It seems that there are evidence that Charles Taylor, the ex-Liberian strongman, has funded through blood diamond Al-Qaeda. It is ironic that Pat Robertson complained that Charles Taylor was ousted to undermine "a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels.”

He even went on further to announced that Charles Taylor was democratically elected. Yeah, I'm sure Suharto was also democratically elected in a fair and open election. I'm sure the 700 Club $8 million investment in Liberian Gold Mine put his moral aptitude at ease.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by moe.ron
It seems that there are evidence that Charles Taylor, the ex-Liberian strongman, has funded through blood diamond Al-Qaeda. It is ironic that Pat Robertson complained that Charles Taylor was ousted to undermine "a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels.”

He even went on further to announced that Charles Taylor was democratically elected. Yeah, I'm sure Suharto was also democratically elected in a fair and open election. I'm sure the 700 Club $8 million investment in Liberian Gold Mine put his moral aptitude at ease.

Pat Robertson is a scumbag. I can't believe anyone still thinks his views are relevant or driven by anything besides personal greed. He has found a great niche market with Bible thumpers where he can do things that smack of open corruption like this, and not be questioned by his base (because they're incredibly gullible).

People like him, Jimmy Swaggart, etc. give religious people a bad name.

[lifesaver]

I so fondly remember when Pat and Jerry said that 9/11 was the fault of us sinners; the ones whove had the abortions, homosexuals, adulterers.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by lifesaver
I so fondly remember when Pat and Jerry said that 9/11 was the fault of us sinners; the ones whove had the abortions, homosexuals, adulterers.

Hmm...well in the eyes of Bin Laden...that is true! He doesn't refer to us as infidels for nothing!

[moe.ron]

KTSnake, why do you think he still have so much clout over so many people? I think him and OBL are all made from the same cloth. Just their technique are different. They are both hate driven and are dividers of peoples. They are both also hypocrite.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by moe.ron
KTSnake, why do you think he still have so much clout over so many people? I think him and OBL are all made from the same cloth. Just their technique are different. They are both hate driven and are dividers of peoples. They are both also hypocrite.

I think him and OBL are different. Robertson, from what I can tell is most driven by greed, self interest, etc. Hate is what he sells. People buy what he's selling because he wraps it up in pretty religious clothing.

From OBL's lifestyle, I can only conclude that he thinks he's fighting the good fight. I can think of no rationale reason for a man of his wealth who needs dialysis to be living out of caves when he could be enjoying air conditioning, sex slaves, etc. in Saudi Arabia. Yes, he's driven by hate, mostly for Western culture. He, like Robertson is trying to sell something, but not for money. His price is blood -- although his technique is similar.

That's my assessment of the two. I honestly think that Robertson is vastly more of a hypocrite than OBL.

[Optimist Prime]

Pat Robertson...oh yeah. He lives at the beach and prays for Supreme Court justices to get cancer, tells everyone they're going to hell, and supports terrorist dictators. It's a good thing the ICC is totally powerless, otherwise he'd be gone like Hoffa.

[lifesaver]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Hmm...well in the eyes of Bin Laden...that is true! He doesn't refer to us as infidels for nothing!

No its not true. That shows a lack of understanding for the specifics of the situation.

Unfortunately for your argument, thats not why Pat Robertson claimed we were attacked. Pat claimed that it was God's wrath that brought 9/11 on us becasue of abortions, homosexuals and adulterers. Basically, to simplify it, PR claimed that God was being vengeful and allowed the attack to happen becasue of the adulterers, homosexuals and abortionists. (basically, God thought we deserved it.) (BTW, he clearly dosent worship the same God I do.) Robertson didnt make your claim, which might have been more logical on the surface, that OBL was mad at us becasue of those reasons.

But again, upon further research, OBL dosent claim to hate the US becasue of those reasons listed. He claims to be anti western becasue of our military presence in the mid-east, specifically our bases in Saudi Arabia, which is considered to be the home of the holiest sites in all Islam. He believes its a sin against Islam to allow non-muslims on such sacred soil. Secondarily, and much more recently he seems to be siding with the palistenians in their struggle for soviergnty, and opposing the US on its (imho STUPID) unwaivering support for Isreal.

Hope this clears that right up for you.

[swissmiss04]

Nice post, lifesaver.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Pat Robertson is a scumbag.

I disagree. I think that he is a douchebag.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I disagree. I think that he is a douchebag.

How about a comprimise?

He is the scum in the douchebag.

[swissmiss04]

Originally posted by ktsnake
How about a comprimise?

He is the scum in the douchebag.

All I want to know is who the hell didn't throw away that bag!

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by lifesaver
No its not true. That shows a lack of understanding for the specifics of the situation.

Unfortunately for your argument, thats not why Pat Robertson claimed we were attacked. Pat claimed that it was God's wrath that brought 9/11 on us becasue of abortions, homosexuals and adulterers. Basically, to simplify it, PR claimed that God was being vengeful and allowed the attack to happen becasue of the adulterers, homosexuals and abortionists. (basically, God thought we deserved it.) (BTW, he clearly dosent worship the same God I do.) Robertson didnt make your claim, which might have been more logical on the surface, that OBL was mad at us becasue of those reasons.

But again, upon further research, OBL dosent claim to hate the US becasue of those reasons listed. He claims to be anti western becasue of our military presence in the mid-east, specifically our bases in Saudi Arabia, which is considered to be the home of the holiest sites in all Islam. He believes its a sin against Islam to allow non-muslims on such sacred soil. Secondarily, and much more recently he seems to be siding with the palistenians in their struggle for soviergnty, and opposing the US on its (imho STUPID) unwaivering support for Isreal.

Hope this clears that right up for you.

WOW. you put a lot of time in your post to disseminate incorrect information LOL. If you really think the radical muslims don't dislike us in part because of our MTV culture, you're either misinformed or sadly mistaken. Do your research before you try to contradict me

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by lifesaver
[B]

Hope this clears that right up for you.

There's no one reason they hate us. There are several. Hope this clears that right up for you too.

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/m...modload&sid=83

The more extreme elements detest McDonald's for capturing the gastronomical enthusiasm of their children. They loath MTV for driving their teenagers toward the impure thoughts of sex and individualism and away from the thoughts of the Koran and Allah. They resent the Christian missionaries from Kansas for converting wavering believers into admires of Jesus Christ. They curse the U.S. military troops stationed in their countries for illuminating their impotency. They attack giant multinational corporations headquarted in the towers of New York for selling material dreams that impoverished Muslims cannot afford and that only end up manufacturing frustration.

http://www.probe.org/docs/rad-muslims.html
Osama Bin Ladin calls on Muslims to "obey God’s command to kill the Americans and plunder their possessions...to kill Americans and their allies, both civil and military...." He and his sympathizers want to eliminate Western influence and restore their version of Islam to the world.
He especially deplored clergy-sanctioned dances at church recreation halls. When the ministers lowered the lights, the dances became hot. Qutb’s PG description: “The dance is inflamed by the notes of the gramophone...the dance-hall becomes a whirl of heels and thighs, arms enfold hips, lips and breasts meet, and the air is full of lust." He cited the famous Kinsey Reports as evidence of American sexual debauchery.

http://www.ericchrist.com/weekly_mus...muse091601.htm
These radicals do not believe in freedom. The people subject to their rule are forced to abide by strict standards of dress and behavior. Deviants are brutally punished. News and events from the outside world are censored and filtered through the authorities, which then disseminate them to their people with a pro-Islam, anti-Western slant.

In short, they oppose and despise everything we Americans hold dear. They hate us for who we are. The only good American is a dead American.

NOW i sit and wait for someone to say that anyone can post anything to prove their point. My only point here is to show that the long narrative that lifesaver gave to dispute me is only one part of the equation. our troops could pull out, and they would still want us DEAD.

[swissmiss04]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
WOW. you put a lot of time in your post to disseminate incorrect information LOL. If you really think the radical muslims don't dislike us in part because of our MTV culture, you're either misinformed or sadly mistaken. Do your research before you try to contradict me

When did he say that the MTV culture *wasn't* a reason? He is explaining their stance from a political point of view, not cultural. Everything lifesaver said was correct. It wasn't a comprehensive explanation of "Why OBL hates America" That would take volumes.