affiliation

[ManndingoNUPE]

When you join a BGLO, or GLO, you join that org, not that chapter.

Now, I got mad luv for my chapter, but I am a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.

MN

[Alumnus who cares]

We had a guy transfer to our chapter my junior year. He came from a small college where his fraternity was the only "social" fraternity on campus, to a large university that has over 70 chapters. Must have been a culture shock for him. Anyway, we gladly took him, and he turned out to be a really good guy who did a lot for the house.

There was another guy who transferred to our school about the same time, but he didn't affiliate with us. He did come to a couple of our parties though. I never got the scoop on why he didn't join us; maybe he was too busy, or else he didn't like our chapter enough to join. I remember him telling me that the chapter at his old school was considerably bigger than ours, so maybe he thought he was slumming a little bit.

On the other end of the spectrum, during my sophomore year this guy from one of our other chapters visited our school because he was thinking of transferring. Not to be condescending or anything, but he was a real tool. We took him out to the bars that night and he acted like a complete idiot. To top it off, he was wearing his pledge letter sweatshirt, which is a no-no because (a) NO ONE wears letter sweatshirts to the bars on our campus, and (b) it was a really ugly sweatshirt. So everyone could see what house this moron was from.

Luckily, he ended up not transferring to our school. If he had, we probably would have had to take him. I don't know if there is an official rule for our national fraternity, but I'm sure it would have been frowned upon if we did not accept him at our chapter.

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE:
When you join a BGLO, or GLO, you join that org, not that chapter.

Now, I got mad luv for my chapter, but I am a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc.

MN

Mandingo,
The NPC/NIC groups are the same - we are all members of our national group. However, when you initiate into a certain chapter you are considered 'affiliated' with that chapter. When an undergraduate transfers to another campus they have 2 options - obtain alumni status or affiliate with their chapter on that campus. Some groups will allow affiliation w/o any prerequisites, some groups have a voting type procedure that, if the chapter is in agreement, the transfer student 'becomes' a member of that chapter. This transfer person still is a member of the national as well.

Every chapter has different expectations of their members, hence, some chapters may not vote to incorporate a transfer student into their chapter. In that case, the transfer student is consider an alumna/alumnus and participates in the local alumni chapter(s).

Barbara

In my sorority if you transfer to another school that has our chapter and you decide not to affiliate you must formally resign. upon formal resignation you must return all lettered items to your chapter and you cannot wear your letters out on campus.

[mgdzkm433]

all sororities are made up of diverse girls. The Delta Zeta Chapter where I attended college is probably a lot different than a chapter in California. Even if we don't want to admit it, lots of us joined our group because we liked what they stood for AND because we clicked with them (ie: nobody joins a group where they can't stand the people in it). Delta Zeta does have the option that you can either affiliate once you've transfered or obtain alumni status. However, to affiliate, you do have to be voted in by the chapter. I am not certian WHY they do this, but I think it's a good idea. This is why I BELIEVE they do it, but I'm not certain.

Firstly, when you don't know anyone and you are voted in, you have a hard time obtaining respect because they don't know you and because they don't know how you will react to certain issues or ideas they might have. It's a weird 'feel you out' situation because they didn't have that 'rush process' there to get to know you. Also, they aren't sure what type of chapter you came from. There are huge differences, look at the differences in rushing between the north, the south, the east and the west as an example. Secondly, what if you didn't have anything in common with any of these girls other than Delta Zeta? It might turn into a chore to attend meetings, you might not like personalities, you might not like the way they run the chapter, there are tons of examples. Even though it sucks, sometimes chapters fall along the wayside and don't do what they are supposed to do. You can also support delta zeta as an alumni and not have to go through these situations.

Anyway, just my 2 cents

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[Siobhan]

In DPhiE, if you transfer to another school with a DPhiE chapter you can choose whether or not you want to become active with that chapter. If you decide not to, you still remain a member of DPhiE.

[carnation]

I'd like to know some of your groups' policies on affiliation (transferring from one chapter of your sorority to another after initiation). I know that some groups allow any sister to affiliate.

On the other hand, I've known of cases where sisters weren't allowed to affiliate, either because the girl "wasn't their type" (and these girls were actually asked not to wear their very own letters on campus--boo!) or because the chapter was at total.

I also recall hearing that in my home state where chapters are huge, affiliation is frowned on because some girls will intentionally pledge a chapter at a smaller school where it's easier to get into a "name" group and then try to transfer into the school with the name chapter that they probably wouldn't have "made" in the bigger school's rush. In theory, I guess you could end up with mammoth chapters this way.

Any input?

[DirectorDST99]

It is truly amazing and interesting to me to see how different NPHC and NPC organizations operate.
chapter of your choice - transfer chapters.

In BGLOs if you are intitiated as a member you are a member whereever you go. Now , if you transfer schools or even move to another city, state or country, you can join the chapter of your choice.

I don't believe any member of a BGLO has been denied transfering their membership to another school or chapter. If so, enlighten me.

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[tcsparky]

I know of two situations where Tri-Deltas were not allowed to affiliate with the chapter at their new college when they transferred. Once was when a girl transferred from a large state university to a small state university. The girls at small State didn't like her, so they wouldn't let her affiliate.
The other girl moved from one state to another. She said that when she approached the officers of her new school about affiliating they weren't nice to her, and the members she met in classes were not nice to her either. Both girls ended up going through college without the love and support of the sorority they both loved and had made the lifetime commitment to.
I don't know what Tri-Delta's national policy is on this, but both of these chapters were allowed to do this.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by PnguinTrax:

Every chapter has different expectations of their members, hence, some chapters may not vote to incorporate a transfer student into their chapter. In that case, the transfer student is consider an alumna/alumnus and participates in the local alumni chapter(s).

Barbara

Good job, as always, Barbara, of explaining transfer situations!

Alpha Chi, like others posted here, also allows a member to choose if she will remain active (via tranfer of membership from her initiation chapter to the new chapter) or become an alumni. There are several reasons why a woman may choose the alum option - I personally know sisters who have gone alum because their grades have fallen and they transfer to another school to bring their grades up. I also know sisters who are initiated in one chapter (usually on a small campus where total is set at say 50) and then she transfers to a large college/univ where chapter total may be 250 or larger! There is a big difference between having an entire chapter of 50 girls, and a chapter that has 50 girls in a pledge class!

There are differences in every chapter, and even though I am an AXO sister, I may feel more comfortable with one chapter than another.

Reason for voting for affiliation...the "new" chapter may have NO IDEA of the circumstances regarding a sister's transfer. For example, an XYZ on my campus totally freaked out. She claimed that she was raped by several guys in a fraternity, that she was pregnant, and several other tales. Her sisters supported her 110% even to the point of a lawsuit. Then slowly but surely one lie gave way to another and the whole thing came crashing down. Everything she had said were lies. It hurt our greek system terribly (you can imagine the stigma of the fraternity even though the truth was finally revealed). The girl left school before any action could be brought against her. What do you know? She showed up at another college a few hours away the next semester and affiliated with the XYZ chapter there. Those girls had no idea what they were getting. Eventually everyone learned about her past and she ended up dropping out of the sorority.

This is why I am thankful that for our chapter, if a girl wants to affiliate, she must get a rec letter from her chapter and then is voted in accordingly.

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"Alpha Chi Omega - If you only had 2 wishes, what would your second one be?"

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[ManndingoNUPE]

Thank you PnguinTrax for explaining this to me and the others on this board. I have to admit that I am somewhat ignorant as to the workings of GLO's on some issues. We all have some of the same goals, but we simply go about it in a different way.

Peace

MN

[carnation]

Hello folks,

I'd like to thank you for your views on affiliation. On the one hand, it seems like it should be, "once an ABC, always an ABC at any campus" but then you hear of a situation like the post where the XYZ went ape over the rape report and then went really crazy at the next campus. There was a girl at a large campus I went to who tried in vain to affiliate with her chapter there...they were gorgeous, she wasn't--she seemed to try to do the grossest stuff imaginable all over campus. (Some said she did it to get even with the chapter that spurned her.) However, we other Greeks felt sorry for her when we heard they'd tried to force her never to wear her letters on campus (unenforceable, of course!)

As an adult, I see so many issues (not just Greek!) that I'm beginning to see both sides to!

[sigmagrrl]

I cannot imagine the feelings that would go into a chapter's decision to not include their sister from another chapter. I am ecstatic to see any other Sigma, that if I saw one on campus who did not want to affiliate with me, I would be crushed. Also, if I went to a new school and these sisters did not want to associate with me, again, CRUSHED! I mean, its a NATIONAL sorority, not a local faction !! I am so bothered by this now...