Former Chapters

[g41965]

I was reading threads about chapters being suspended, do any former chapters reorganize under a different name,. at UT the ATO's left campus in 1986 and remainded for 2years as a local and then merged with Kappa Sigma, is this common I know the Sig Ep's at W and L tried to join ADPHI.

[TSteven]

I may be mistaken, but my understanding is that some fraternities do not initiate any man who has been intentioned into another fraternity. Even if they have a release from their previous inter/national fraternity headquarters etc.

As such, and not knowing the particulars of this situation, I would imagine that only those members of the 'local' who were *not* initiated into the Alpha Tau Omega chapter were initiated into the Kappa Sigma chapter at UT.

By the way. Which UT?

Edited so as not to speak on behalf of others.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by TSteven
I may be mistaken

You may be, and you shouldn't speak for another GLO's policies unless you're absolutely sure of them. Are you a Kappa Sig?

[33girl]

Originally posted by g41965
I was reading threads about chapters being suspended, do any former chapters reorganize under a different name,. at UT the ATO's left campus in 1986 and remainded for 2years as a local and then merged with Kappa Sigma, is this common I know the Sig Ep's at W and L tried to join ADPHI.

There is no such thing as a "former chapter." The proper nomenclature is dormant, closed or resolved (varies with the group). If you are talking about former MEMBERS who have surrendered their membership, please clarify that, as the members do not equal the chapter.

The ATO's could have formed a local fraternity called "Alpha Tau" or something, and all remained alums of ATO without surrendering their membership, and once they had enough guys who had been initiated into the local only, they could colonize Kappa Sigma. You cannot hold dual memberships in two NIC or NPC groups.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by g41965
I was reading threads about chapters being suspended, do any former chapters reorganize under a different name,. at UT the ATO's left campus in 1986 and remainded for 2years as a local and then merged with Kappa Sigma, is this common I know the Sig Ep's at W and L tried to join ADPHI.

In the 19th century, it was a common practice with many fraternities to steal chapters of other fraternities (Phi Psi never did this.) By the time the interfraternity movement gained full steam, this practice was ended.

The basic rule in place with all NIC (and similar) fraternities is that the only way a member of a similar fraternity may be initiated into another, is if that member resigned and that resignation was accepted.

As far as picking up locals, or former chapters of defunct nationals, no resignation is needed.

If a local was recently a chapter of a national, any local members who were members of the former national must have properly resigned in order to be initiated into the second. This scenario is rare, but it does happen.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
You may be, and you shouldn't speak for another GLO's policies unless you're absolutely sure of them. Are you a Kappa Sig?

Good point, and no I am not. I've edited my post.

[g41965]

The ATO's reorganized as the Gentleman of ATO and existed from January 1986 to August 1987. This ocurred at the University of Texas at Austin, approximately 40 members then quietly affiliated with Kappa Sig, don't know if it was formal initiation or what but some sort of taking in of former ATO's took place; on a side note when Acacia closed at UT in 1986 my chapter of DU looked at initiating several former Acacia's ,around 14 if I remeber correctly and discussions were held between both sides exec's ,ultimately we concluded it wasn't worth it (more because of disunity issues and objections to initiating without a pledge period , than any NIC type of objection) and the idea quietly died.

[Little E]

Chapters come about in many ways, esp in IFC. Russ was probably correct in what happened.

At my alma mater, Phi Psi was founded in like 1880-1 as a colony. Some of the members decided to have an 'inner circle' aka a local within the chapter. There was a falling out and those brothers then left and formed Skull and Bones, which was quickly picked up by Sigma Chi (Alpha Zeta Chapter) in 1882. That chapter has been in existance to this day.

[shadokat]

At my alma mater, there are a few chapters that were once one fraternity (NIC) and are now another.

For instance, Lambda Chi Alpha was kicked off of our campus and their national charter revoked. They went Alpha Chi Lambda for a couple of years, and then, went back to being national with ACACIA, of which I think they aren't recognized now, but still are using ACACIA. At homecoming and alumni weekends, banners on their house always read welcome back LXA, AXL and ACACIA alumni.

Secondly, Theta Chi was kicked off campus and their national charter revoked. They became Theta Chi Lambda for a few years, and then went back to being national with Alpha Tau Omega.

It happens. I don't know how it works with initiated members of other NIC fraternities.

[TSteven]

These two are worth repeating.

Originally posted by 33girl
There is no such thing as a "former chapter." The proper nomenclature is dormant, closed or resolved (varies with the group). If you are talking about former MEMBERS who have surrendered their membership, please clarify that, as the members do not equal the chapter.

The ATO's could have formed a local fraternity called "Alpha Tau" or something, and all remained alums of ATO without surrendering their membership, and once they had enough guys who had been initiated into the local only, they could colonize Kappa Sigma. You cannot hold dual memberships in two NIC or NPC groups.

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
In the 19th century, it was a common practice with many fraternities to steal chapters of other fraternities (Phi Psi never did this.) By the time the interfraternity movement gained full steam, this practice was ended.

The basic rule in place with all NIC (and similar) fraternities is that the only way a member of a similar fraternity may be initiated into another, is if that member resigned and that resignation was accepted.

As far as picking up locals, or former chapters of defunct nationals, no resignation is needed.

If a local was recently a chapter of a national, any local members who were members of the former national must have properly resigned in order to be initiated into the second. This scenario is rare, but it does happen.

[Tom Earp]

While I cannot speak for Others, when a Chapter has the Charter Removed and is then reinstated, they do not change the Chapter designation for LXA.

Now, if a Greek Chapter is suspended, and they go to a local designation, that is fine, but still no association with the National.

"IF" said Local was there long enough and had "NO" past members, then they do have the right to Affiliate with anyother National they want to. As far as NIC, NPC, and NHPC, once a person is Initiated into a Greek Organization it is very seldom that they are allowed to be Initiated into another National Org. The reason being that They Know The Ritual of one GLO and so said doesnt want anything said to anyother that have Secret Rituals.

My question has always been, "Why Do These Members want to go to another National unless they screwed up bad enough to be Dis Chartered"?

If someone came to me and wanted to be a member of LXA after being Intiatied in another, I would just say thanks but No!

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by TSteven
I may be mistaken, but my understanding is that some fraternities do not initiate any man who has been intentioned into another fraternity. Even if they have a release from their previous inter/national fraternity headquarters etc.

As such, and not knowing the particulars of this situation, I would imagine that only those members of the 'local' who were *not* initiated into the Alpha Tau Omega chapter were initiated into the Kappa Sigma chapter at UT.

By the way. Which UT?

Edited so as not to speak on behalf of others.

I would be kind of surprised if that happened; it was always my impression that we wouldn't initiate someone who had been a member of another fraternity. That doesn't mean it didn't happen; I don't know the exact details, but it seems that would be against our policies.