war in iraq and the military

norcalchick · #1 04-30-2004, 07:58 PM

i was caught the tail end of a news show and they were talking about how some people in the military over in the middle east are taking pictures of inprisoned people in embarassing shots. like they're all naked and have thier heads covered and in a pile, or something like that.

i was just wondering if anyone knew anything else.

Sister Havana · #2 04-30-2004, 08:36 PM

Here's the story:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...isoner_abuse_9

Rudey · #3 05-01-2004, 12:35 AM

Why are people so shocked?

We are here to fight - whether to liberate, occupy, or break someone's knees I don't care because I don't fight for the sake of fighting but of winning.

Do they treat us any better? Do they accept the same standards of honour? When our men are hung mutilated from bridges, does stripping a couple men even equate?

Our country has assumed some silly notion of honour that isn't being accepted by the other side. We aren't fighting a modern country that would uphold those same rules. We should fight to win.

Regardless our country has held itself to a higher standard and we're investigating the soldiers responsible, to the praise of folks at the UN.

-Rudey
--I'd much rather be torturing chirac, brahimi, and annan right now personally

swissmiss04 · #4 05-01-2004, 10:18 AM

The Geneva Convention: Learn It, Love It, Use It.

RACooper · #5 05-01-2004, 11:26 AM

Some of the Marines I know are pretty livid right now... they want to beat the living sh*t out these "soldiers". The actions of these few rejects has endangered the lives of thousands of others serving by insighting even more discontent amongst the general populace.... stupid....

As for the Brits I'm sure that they are going to learn the hard way about the right to were the Queen's uniform, and what it means to disgrace the Regiment.

Rudey · #6 05-01-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Some of the Marines I know are pretty livid right now... they want to beat the living sh*t out these "soldiers". The actions of these few rejects has endangered the lives of thousands of others serving by insighting even more discontent amongst the general populace.... stupid....

As for the Brits I'm sure that they are going to learn the hard way about the right to were the Queen's uniform, and what it means to disgrace the Regiment.

So before they weren't endangered?

-Rudey

Kevin · #7 05-01-2004, 11:42 AM

Personally, I don't get how the Iraqis can have this righteous indignation thing going on. That stuff was totally tame compared to what Saddam was doing.

These idiot-soldiers need to be brought up on war crimes though. Turn 'em over to the Hague. From my point of view, any soldier that does something like this is a disgrace to his/her country.

On the same token, we should be sending the Iraqi insurgents who hide weapons and snipers in mosques to the Hague as well.

Rudey · #8 05-01-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by swissmiss04
The Geneva Convention: Learn It, Love It, Use It.

Really? The iraqis signed up for this and followed it too?

-Rudey

swissmiss04 · #9 05-01-2004, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Personally, I don't get how the Iraqis can have this righteous indignation thing going on. That stuff was totally tame compared to what Saddam was doing.

These idiot-soldiers need to be brought up on war crimes though. Turn 'em over to the Hague. From my point of view, any soldier that does something like this is a disgrace to his/her country.

On the same token, we should be sending the Iraqi insurgents who hide weapons and snipers in mosques to the Hague as well.

Co-sign

Rudey · #10 05-01-2004, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
On the same token, we should be sending the Iraqi insurgents who hide weapons and snipers in mosques to the Hague as well.

But we aren't are we? Eh it's not like our country was that hurt by those images, it was the Arab countries mainly. Have the Arabs been campaigning to have people who hide in schools, hospitals, and mosques sent to the Hague? Perhaps a few. Have they been filled with the smae level of disgust as they are about a couple guys without clothing on?

-Rudey

Kevin · #11 05-01-2004, 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
But we aren't are we? Eh it's not like our country was that hurt by those images, it was the Arab countries mainly. Have the Arabs been campaigning to have people who hide in schools, hospitals, and mosques sent to the Hague? Perhaps a few. Have they been filled with the smae level of disgust as they are about a couple guys without clothing on?

-Rudey

Nope. It's a sick double-standard. Kind of makes me want to give Israel the green light to go Hiroshima on their Arab neighbors.

It's amazing how you can have public sentiment against you when your soldiers are respecting Mosques, schools and hospitals while the "freedom fighters" are using those as bases of operations. There won't be any public outcry, we're viewed as an unholy crusading army.

Can't wait for the US to be out of there. I just hope that the new Iraqi government can hold things together. With the majority of the country being uneducated and essentially acting on the whims of their power-hungry religious leaders, I feel sorry for the educated middle class.

RACooper · #12 05-01-2004, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
These idiot-soldiers need to be brought up on war crimes though. Turn 'em over to the Hague. From my point of view, any soldier that does something like this is a disgrace to his/her country.

Unfortunately that is not possible as G.W. Bush refused to recognize the authority of the Hague over members of the US Armed Forces when he refused to sign the ICC papers.

Kevin · #13 05-01-2004, 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Unfortunately that is not possible as G.W. Bush refused to recognize the authority of the Hague over members of the US Armed Forces when he refused to sign the ICC papers.

It is because of the fact that some members of the world community would be all too quick to use this to corner the US on certain issues. The US has its hands in many pots -- and occasionally, accidents happen. I have no problem with US citizens being turned over on our own government's consent to the world court. I do have a problem with a court that thinks they can bully the US government.

I also have a serious problem with European socialist judges passing judgement on my government. I think the US has done an outstanding job of protecting human rights. I have the perception that many would just use this as an opportunity to push the more powerful government around.

In the long run, it'll probably be a dismal failure, kind of like the UN and just about every new world order type organization.

Rudey · #14 05-01-2004, 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
Unfortunately that is not possible as G.W. Bush refused to recognize the authority of the Hague over members of the US Armed Forces when he refused to sign the ICC papers.

That's not a Bush issue. Everyone keeps taking all these policies and highlighting them as Bush issues. I'd rather have every judge at the Hague shot before we allow an American to be tried there.

-Rudey

RACooper · #15 05-01-2004, 12:29 PM

Well it's not only "European socialist judges" on the Hague.... there are representatives from all over the world (including the US on some levels)..... but i do agree that some factions would use it as a method to pusue their own political agendas, but so far I haven't seen any frivolous prosecutions before the courts (although not for lack of trying).