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Old 06-07-2002, 07:56 PM
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Question Should We Still Listen?

Well, we all know that R. Kelly has been indicted on 21 counts of child pornography. Yesterday on the radio, the morning show asked listeners if they still wanted to hear his music on that station. Over 80% of people (they kept track) who called in said that they still wanted to hear his music regardless of whether he is found guilty or not.

Should we still listen to artists who are found guilty (not R. Kelly specifically, but artists in general) of serious crimes? Is continuing to support them condoning their behavior?
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Old 06-07-2002, 08:05 PM
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Well, we all know that R. Kelly has been indicted on 21 counts of child pornography. Yesterday on the radio, the morning show asked listeners if they still wanted to hear his music on that station. Over 80% of people (they kept track) who called in said that they still wanted to hear his music regardless of whether he is found guilty or not.

Should we still listen to artists who are found guilty (not R. Kelly specifically, but artists in general) of serious crimes? Is continuing to support them condoning their behavior?
Good question. Speaking specifically about R. Kelly, my answer is NO. I just cannot listen to the man sing a sex ballad anymore because the only image it conjures up is him urinating on a 14 year old girl!
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Old 06-08-2002, 10:37 AM
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I like his music, always have, and I'll continue to listen. Music is an abstract art form, and even though he 'made' it, it's not all his. I hope I'm making sense. I can't really explain what I mean right now. But if you already have the CD, you've already 'supported' him. He doesn't (clearly and evidently, lol) need our MORAL support. Playing his songs on the radio, to me, isn't holding a 'I don't care what he did' vigil. Music is eternal. Everyone in the entire nation could burn all the the CD's that they have by him. But you can't burn your memory. The words are etched, as are the phrases. Bump and grind? That's his, he coined that, and if he didn't, he shole made it famous. The man is talented, period. Yes, he may have done wrong, but he's talented nonetheless, and that proof of his talent will forever live on. And remember, if you don't listen to his music, you also don't listen to songs that he wrote, and there are a lot of those.

This is the first time I can remember this much controversy behind a celebrity's wrong doing. Is it because we all "KNOW" he's guilty? I mean, Tupac went to jail for what, "rapin" some chick? Who stopped listening to his music? Lisa Lopes (RIP) was an Arsonist (is that a word?). No one stopped listening to her. Snoop was on trial for MURDER. He has a commercial, is in movies, and still making music. People think Michael Jackson is a pedophile. No one stopped playin his stuff on the radio (but he IS the man, lol) And I wonder if it will make any difference if he's (Robert) found innocent. Didn't make a difference for OJ, lol.

And what trips me out, is these other artists who are APPALLED. Jay-Z took the pictures off the cover of the album????? Lil Kim is embarrassed??? Her azz can run around half naked and say, "So whaaaat take it in the buuuutt," but now she embarrassed? Now, this to me, is also insane. Jay-Z has rapped about sellin crack. Now, he done assisted in messin up some CHILD'S mama, but he now doesn't want to be associated with a pedophile??? Different crime, but still affecting a child. WTF?

Now, another question would be... if he EVER made any MORE music, would people buy it?
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Old 06-08-2002, 01:07 PM
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I like his music, always have, and I'll continue to listen. Music is an abstract art form, and even though he 'made' it, it's not all his. I hope I'm making sense. I can't really explain what I mean right now. But if you already have the CD, you've already 'supported' him. He doesn't (clearly and evidently, lol) need our MORAL support. Playing his songs on the radio, to me, isn't holding a 'I don't care what he did' vigil. Music is eternal. Everyone in the entire nation could burn all the the CD's that they have by him. But you can't burn your memory. The words are etched, as are the phrases. Bump and grind? That's his, he coined that, and if he didn't, he shole made it famous. The man is talented, period. Yes, he may have done wrong, but he's talented nonetheless, and that proof of his talent will forever live on. And remember, if you don't listen to his music, you also don't listen to songs that he wrote, and there are a lot of those.

This is the first time I can remember this much controversy behind a celebrity's wrong doing. Is it because we all "KNOW" he's guilty? I mean, Tupac went to jail for what, "rapin" some chick? Who stopped listening to his music? Lisa Lopes (RIP) was an Arsonist (is that a word?). No one stopped listening to her. Snoop was on trial for MURDER. He has a commercial, is in movies, and still making music. People think Michael Jackson is a pedophile. No one stopped playin his stuff on the radio (but he IS the man, lol) And I wonder if it will make any difference if he's (Robert) found innocent. Didn't make a difference for OJ, lol.

And what trips me out, is these other artists who are APPALLED. Jay-Z took the pictures off the cover of the album????? Lil Kim is embarrassed??? Her azz can run around half naked and say, "So whaaaat take it in the buuuutt," but now she embarrassed? Now, this to me, is also insane. Jay-Z has rapped about sellin crack. Now, he done assisted in messin up some CHILD'S mama, but he now doesn't want to be associated with a pedophile??? Different crime, but still affecting a child. WTF?

Now, another question would be... if he EVER made any MORE music, would people buy it?
Well he has completed another solo album to be released. "The Best of Both Worlds" just collected dust on the shelves, people are blaming it on the scandal. I think that his next album will do the same thing. When I listen to music I always associate it with something. For instance when I hear Blu Cantrell, I associate it with an ex. But forever more when I HEAR R. Kelly sing about bumping, grinding, being reminded of jeeps, halfing on a baby, etc. I will associate it with some 14 year old girl. Now I know songs that he has penned ("Fortunate" by Maxwell, "You Are Not Alone" by Mike) but for some reason it is much different to listen to those songs and to listen to R. sing one of his own. I don't know.

As far as comparison to other celebs and controversy, the only one that really compares is Michael Jackson, IMO. The difference between M. Jackson and R. Kelly is that there was no TAPE of Mike. Plus, that lil' boy's daddy was just trying to get paid, lol. And people already kinda though Mike was off anyways, lol. Plus, the man denied it from the GATE. He came on TV and interrupted national programming to say that the police violated him (do y'all remember that??) and gave a FIRM denial. R. Kelly had this weak interview where anyone with the faintest knowledge about body language can tell you the man was suspect.

I wholeheartedly agree about the hypocricy of other celebs. None of them have any right, after they rap about much worse on their albums, to condemn anyone. Lil' Kim has spoken out?? I didn't know that! LOL!
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Old 06-08-2002, 04:31 PM
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Now that you mention it, Jay-Z is a hypocrite... all that stuff he was saying about NAS among other peeps but he don't want to be seen with R. Kelly? I mean, the man couldn't dis Nas directly, he had to bring his EX into it.

Back to the topic... I don't know whether or not I will listen to R. Kelly's music or not... I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until he is tried and PROVEN (no matter what ya'll think ya'll saw on video) guilty.

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Old 06-09-2002, 12:57 AM
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This whole things has me really disgusted. Not because of R. Kelly's alleged actions, but because of the public response to it. People are laughing and making jokes, inviting people over to watch the tape, and behaving as if sex with a minor really isn't that bad. If he had committed another crime, the public's response to this whole scandal would be totally different. If R. Kelly, or whoever it is on the tape, was having sex with a young boy, would our reactions to it be the same?

On the radio that morning, one of the DJs posed a question to one of the ladies who called in. He asked "If I had a reputation for beating up women, and there was a tape out of me beating the hell out of a woman, would you still want to listen to me on the radio?" Honestly, I think that an overwhelming majority of us would say no because we, as a society, believe that a man physically putting his hands on a woman is wrong. We wouldn't want to support, in any way, an abuser. But, in my opinion, by making jokes, and watching the tape repeatedly, and making excuses for his behavior if it is him is sending the message that we will tolerate grown men having sex with young girls and that this crime is really not that serious. To me, there is no excuse for that either. If you are a grown man, then you should know better. If she looks young, then ask for ID.

I haven't seen the R. Kelly tape nor do I care to. But, if he is found guilty, I can't really say that I will enjoy his music the way that I once did. Will I continue to play it? That I don't know. I already own one of his CDs (actually two but one is a bootleg) so he already has my money. But, I can't say that I would go out and buy one of them. Like Ideal said, the man is clearly talented but I've already started to look at him and his music differently. I don't know if I will be able to enjoy it as much as I once did.
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Old 06-10-2002, 01:16 PM
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Amen!!!!

CAN YOU REPEAT IT AGAIN FOR THE FOLKS IN THE CHEAP SEATS???!!!!

I DO FEEL BETTER NOT SUPPORTING R-KELLY IN TERMS OF BUYING ANY OF HIS MUSIC..I NEVER BOUGHT ANY IN THE PAST FOR OTHER REASONS, AND NOW IT JUST SOLIDIFIES MY REASONS.


I ALSO FOUND IT EXREMELY FUNNY THAT LIL KIMS...YES I SAID KIMS IS TRYING TO FABU AND EXTRACTING HERSELF FROM HIM...THIS FROM A WOMAN WHO WAS IN HIS 'FEELING ON YOUR BOOTY' VIDEO SHAKING HER ALBEIT OFF BEAT BACKSIDE IN ADDITION TO HAVING ALBUMS SO RAUNCHY IT WOULD MAKE ANYONE'S GRANDMOTHER BLUSH BEYONG BELIEF.

THIS IS ALL A HOT CHITTY MESS!!!





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I like his music, always have, and I'll continue to listen. Music is an abstract art form, and even though he 'made' it, it's not all his. I hope I'm making sense. I can't really explain what I mean right now. But if you already have the CD, you've already 'supported' him. He doesn't (clearly and evidently, lol) need our MORAL support. Playing his songs on the radio, to me, isn't holding a 'I don't care what he did' vigil. Music is eternal. Everyone in the entire nation could burn all the the CD's that they have by him. But you can't burn your memory. The words are etched, as are the phrases. Bump and grind? That's his, he coined that, and if he didn't, he shole made it famous. The man is talented, period. Yes, he may have done wrong, but he's talented nonetheless, and that proof of his talent will forever live on. And remember, if you don't listen to his music, you also don't listen to songs that he wrote, and there are a lot of those.

This is the first time I can remember this much controversy behind a celebrity's wrong doing. Is it because we all "KNOW" he's guilty? I mean, Tupac went to jail for what, "rapin" some chick? Who stopped listening to his music? Lisa Lopes (RIP) was an Arsonist (is that a word?). No one stopped listening to her. Snoop was on trial for MURDER. He has a commercial, is in movies, and still making music. People think Michael Jackson is a pedophile. No one stopped playin his stuff on the radio (but he IS the man, lol) And I wonder if it will make any difference if he's (Robert) found innocent. Didn't make a difference for OJ, lol.

And what trips me out, is these other artists who are APPALLED. Jay-Z took the pictures off the cover of the album????? Lil Kim is embarrassed??? Her azz can run around half naked and say, "So whaaaat take it in the buuuutt," but now she embarrassed? Now, this to me, is also insane. Jay-Z has rapped about sellin crack. Now, he done assisted in messin up some CHILD'S mama, but he now doesn't want to be associated with a pedophile??? Different crime, but still affecting a child. WTF?

Now, another question would be... if he EVER made any MORE music, would people buy it?
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Old 06-10-2002, 04:47 PM
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question?

Do y'all remember back in the day, when Rob Lowe made the tape of him and the underage girls? Where was all the hype when that was going on? I'm not saying R. Kelly shouldn't be punished (if and when he's found guilty) but, it just doesn't seem right when he's suffering from the backlash of his actions and nothing (presumably) was done to Rob Lowe. In fact, he still has a career after all of this. It may not be what it was but, he's still getting paid! I apologize for ranting but, I had to ask.

(I'm not an R. Kelly fan, nor have I ever been. I won't be listening.)

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Old 06-10-2002, 06:25 PM
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Thumbs up He's innocent until he is proven guilty!

I really enjoy R. Kelly's music and have bought several albums. I haven't seen the video and he has not been convicted of anything. If he did those thing to those young girls it was wrong. There's no way to change that fact. It's wrong.

I am not going to stop listening to the albums I've already bought. I not so sure I wouldn't buy some more. I enjoy his music. But If he raped those young girls I do not support that.
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Old 06-10-2002, 06:59 PM
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Why does everyone keep insisting that this man is so talented? Is it talent to sing about liking the crotch on someone? Asking them to go half on a baby? Stating that he sees nothing wrong with bumping and grinding? Feeling on someone's booty? Etc.? What is creative about that? What is particularly special about his voice? I never got the whole fascination with him.

As you can tell, I have never been an R. Kelly fan, so this latest bit of scandal does nothing to change that. What it has done is confirm for me A.) he IS the nasty @#$ed pedophile we always heard he was here in Chicago; and B.) how messed black folks are when it comes to not protecting their own children/excusing the behavior of their "stars" (the whole, well, she's a freak, she knew what she was doing, etc. line of thinking I'm hearing from other black women).

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Old 06-10-2002, 08:40 PM
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Re: question?

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Do y'all remember back in the day, when Rob Lowe made the tape of him and the underage girls? Where was all the hype when that was going on? I'm not saying R. Kelly shouldn't be punished (if and when he's found guilty) but, it just doesn't seem right when he's suffering from the backlash of his actions and nothing (presumably) was done to Rob Lowe. In fact, he still has a career after all of this. It may not be what it was but, he's still getting paid! I apologize for ranting but, I had to ask.

(I'm not an R. Kelly fan, nor have I ever been. I won't be listening.)

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I was reading an email comparing the two scandals, R. Kelly and Rob Lowe. Apparently, Rob Lowe didn't know that the girl he was having sex with on tape was sixteen. She told him that she was twenty one. I don't know how true his excuse is but I can say that his career did suffer. He just started working again a few years ago and this scandal happened in the late 80s / early 90s.

And, there are a few differences that have had an impact. Rob Lowe never denied that he was the man on the tape. He said that he didn't know. If R. Kelly had done the same, the backlash might not have been as bad. Also, prior to his scandal, Rob Lowe never had a reputation for liking young girls. R. Kelly's reputation precedes him and was common knowledge before this tape became public.


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What it has done is confirm for me how messed black folks are when it comes to not protecting their own children/excusing the behavior of their "stars" (the whole, well, she's a freak, she knew what she was doing, etc. line of thinking I'm hearing from other black women).

That's exactly the attitude that I was talking about!!!
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Old 06-10-2002, 11:44 PM
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Why does everyone keep insisting that this man is so talented? Is it talent to sing about liking the crotch on someone? Asking them to go half on a baby? Stating that he sees nothing wrong with bumping and grinding? Feeling on someone's booty? Etc.? What is creative about that? What is particularly special about his voice? I never got the whole fascination with him.
I agree about the songs you mentioned, but he did hold his own as a producer and songwriter for others (Maxwell, Kelly Price, MJ, etc.) A FEW of his songs were commendable, but again, I do agree that most were just raunchy sexual bedroom "ballads".

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As you can tell, I have never been an R. Kelly fan, so this latest bit of scandal does nothing to change that. What it has done is confirm for me A.) he IS the nasty @#$ed pedophile we always heard he was here in Chicago; and B.) how messed black folks are when it comes to not protecting their own children/excusing the behavior of their "stars" (the whole, well, she's a freak, she knew what she was doing, etc. line of thinking I'm hearing from other black women).
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I don 't think the question at hand is WHO will listen, but WHO is going to distribute his music? Will his current label keep him? If they do not, will another label "take a chance" on him? Or, will he have to sell/distribute his discs from cellblock "R"?

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Old 06-11-2002, 06:51 PM
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Rob Lowe. In fact, he still has a career after all of this. It may not be what it was but, he's still getting paid! I apologize for ranting but, I had to ask.

(I'm not an R. Kelly fan, nor have I ever been. I won't be listening.)

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Rob Lowe's career was seriously side-tracked because of that incident - he was charting a career in the movies and now he's on TV - but the other difference is there wasn't the alleged "history" of dealing with underage girls and this one tape being some evidence of it - or if it was there it didn't come out in the same way with R. Kelly with all kinds of folks saying he had a proclivity to deal with young girls.
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