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Old 12-09-2003, 08:31 PM
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Is Your Child Spoiled Rotten?
Experts tell parents how to decode the spoiled child.


By Dulce Zamora


Reviewed By Brunilda Nazario, MD
on Monday, December 08, 2003
WebMD Feature





When Junior and his mother walk into the doctor's waiting room, there are two seats available: a big chair for grown-ups and a stool for kids. Junior takes the adult seat, and starts to throw a tantrum after Mom asks him to move. With resignation, she squats onto the little seat.


This scenario is not so uncommon, says Barton Schmitt, MD, a pediatrician at the Children's Hospital in Denver. In his office, he sees kids wield power over their parents at least a couple of times a week. Sometimes it's a preschooler who's emptying out his mother's purse, taking out all of her credit cards. Another day it's a tot who's stretching out her father's glasses. In each instance, the kid gets his way, even after some parental protest.


Some people may call these children spoiled.


Schmitt suspects that about 5% of kids are spoiled in that they lack discipline, are manipulative, and are generally bothersome. His estimate, however, may be far too generous, if one author's research proves accurate.


In 2000, Dan Kindlon, author of Too Much of a Good Thing, interviewed more than 1,000 parents, and roughly 650 teenagers, and found that 60% of parents thought their kids were spoiled, and 15% of teens thought they, themselves, fit the bill.


Defining "Spoiled"


Kindlon did not ask his subjects what they thought the term "spoiled" meant, but he believes that they would all have different answers -- as did many of the child-development experts interviewed by WebMD.


"A spoiled child has the 'I want, I want, I want' syndrome," says Charles L. Thompson, PhD, professor of educational psychology and counseling at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville. "His philosophy of life would sort of be 'Life is not good unless I'm getting my own way.'"


The word "spoiled" has many different meanings in different cultures, says Lane Tanner, MD, associate director, division of developmental and behavioral pediatrics at the Children's Hospital and Research Center in Oakland, Calif.


"Very often a grandparent will shake her head with a grin, and say 'My daughter is spoiling that baby so bad,' and that's praise," says Tanner.


A spoiled kid is someone who sits inside on a cold day -- sipping hot chocolate and watching TV -- while her dad shovels snow in the driveway, says Kindlon. He notes that such children often feel entitled not to have to contribute to responsibilities. They also usually have parents that emotionally indulge them -- for example, excusing them from chores because they already have a tough school schedule.


"What's spoiled for one parent may not be for another," says George Cohen, MD, a member of the American Academy of Pediatrics' committee on the psychosocial aspects of child and family health. "Many parents think what their kid is doing is okay. Others are much stricter."


Whatever one's primary definition of spoiled is, arguably, there are children who could use a bit more discipline. They usually find it hard to share, wait their turn, appreciate what they have, and accept that they cannot always get their way.


Life, for these kids, is often difficult, says Schmitt. "They are constantly in a tug of war with their environment," he explains. "They keep smashing into walls because they are living in a world that's different from the real world."


Causes of Spoiling


Many experts agree that most moms and dads love their children, and simply want the best for them. Their efforts, however, can sometimes have the opposite effect if they're not mindful.


"There are parents who don't want their kids to experience hardship or emotional stress of any kind," says Schmitt. "In the process, they teach the kid to have a personality that gets into all kinds of emotional stresses, because their behavior is unacceptable."


Pressures from the outside world can also make it tough for parents to exert enough discipline, says Kindlon. With a greater consumer culture than ever before, more demanding academic and extracurricular requirements for children, longer work schedules for parents, less family time, and a generally more lenient society, many mothers and fathers feel more inclined to go easy on their kids.


Plus, some moms and dads may use their kids as "Prozac," says Kindlon. "In past generations, the parents didn't care whether their kids liked them or not," he explains. "Now, given there are other things in our lives that aren't that satisfying, having good relationships with our kids is something that makes us feel good."


Then there are the persons who simply do not know how to be firm with their young. "There are people who cannot tolerate anger from another person, including their child," says Constance Katz, PhD, a psychotherapist based in New York City.


There are, indeed, many obstacles to the proper disciplining of kids. The bottom line is, however, that children need parents to raise them to be responsible and social adults.


What Kids Need


"Kids need to know that there are firm limits out there, because it's not very secure to know that the limits change everyday," says Thompson. One way to teach children boundaries, he says, is to actually give them choices, beginning at 18 months old -- the age when people are capable of making simple decisions about right and wrong.


Choices may involve things like "Do you want orange juice or tomato juice?" or "Do you want to wear this outfit or that one?"


It is important to give kids options that you, as a parent, can live with. "You don't come home and say, 'Okay, you three kids, what do you want for dinner?' You might have three short orders,'" says Thompson.


As the children grow older, the list of options obviously becomes more complicated. But, if kids have practice with making simple decisions, they can be more trusted to make more difficult choices later in life, adds Thompson. "If you take the time [to present options to kids] in the first 11 years of life, it will pay off in dividends in the teen years. The child doesn't have to be a rebellious teenager."


Consistency is also key in preventing a child from thinking he can get away from following the rules. This means moms, dads, and whoever else is caring for the child are in agreement with each other on rules and discipline. "A unified front is so important," says Schmitt. "A child knows when adults don't come from the same position."


Steven Adelsheim, MD, associate professor of psychiatry at the University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center, says one way to keep kids from becoming spoiled and self-centered is to expose them to diverse environments. "It's important for children to have experiences with others who have a wide range of needs, and people with different challenges, so that they can be more sensitive to the diversity of people in the world," he explains.


Adelsheim, himself, has four children, one of them a teen daughter who coaches a Special Olympics basketball team. Since his daughter's involvement with the team, he has seen her become more sensitive to the needs of other people. He says she is able to get past differences, and observe more similarities with others.


If there are extenuating circumstances -- such as an extended vacation, divorce or a major crisis in the family -- it's even more vital to enforce the rules. Structure helps children adapt to stress, says Kindlon.


Yet moms and dads also need to be sensitive to the needs of the child. "Parents have a job of figuring out what is behind the pleading and demanding," says Tanner, noting that kids' desires might be momentary -- such as if they saw something appealing on TV or in the toy store -- or the child might be signaling a deeper need, such as time with a parent.


Unspoiling a Child


If parents find themselves always angry at their child, because the kid doesn't answer to them, or if they feel their rules have become too excessive in response to the child's bad behavior, then it may be time to make changes, says Ross Black, MD, a spokesman for the American Academy of Family Physicians.


Moms and dads who want to do something about spoiled children need to do the basic things that need to be done to prevent spoiled kids in the first place, including setting firm limits, being consistent, and providing choices.


The process of unspoiling, however, may be a lot harder because it would be like breaking a bad habit, says Black. He suggests having an initial conversation with the spoiled child, laying down what is going to happen to avoid confusion.


"You can approach it by saying, 'I don't like what has happened with what we've been doing, so we need to change. I still love you as my child, but when you do these kinds of things, I feel concerned and I would like to change that,'" says Black.


The child may say she does not want to change, but parents need to stand firm and say things will change, and to present options of how the change could take place.


For more help with disciplining a child, Black suggests the following resources: self-help books, courses that offer a special technique called Parent Effectiveness Training (PET), pediatricians, and behavioral psychologists.


Published Dec. 8, 2003.



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SOURCES: Barton Schmitt, MD, pediatrician, Children's Hospital, Denver. Dan Kindlon, author, Too Much of a Good Thing: Raising Children of Character in an Indulgent Age, Charles L. Thompson, PhD, professor, educational psychology and counseling, University of Tennessee, Knoxville. Lane Tanner, MD, associate director, division of developmental and behavioral pediatrics, Children's Hospital and Research Center, Oakland, Calif. George Cohen, MD, member, American Academy of Pediatrics' committee on the psychosocial aspects of child and family health. Constance Katz, PhD, a psychotherapist, New York City. Steven Adelsheim, MD, associate professor, psychiatry, University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center. Ross Black, MD, spokesman, American Academy of Family Physicians.





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Old 12-09-2003, 11:12 PM
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:20 PM
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I didn't care for that comment about the snow shoveling. Should 10 year old me have gone outside and taken 2 hours to shovel the snow my dad could take care of in 20 minutes? Stupid.
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Old 12-09-2003, 11:48 PM
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I thought that one was pretty stupid, too. I'm asthmatic, and the cold air triggers it. Papa Munchkin would not have let me go outside just to hang out with him in the snow. I could see it for a 16 year old boy. But a little girl? Nope.

I think "spoiled" depends on various cultural circumstances. I, personally, think a 22 year old graduate student who just learned how to wash his own clothes is spoiled and I'd be embarassed to date such a baby. But, to each his own. Looking back on it, I was probably pretty spoiled. But, I think I turned out okay--it's too late to care anyway!
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Old 12-10-2003, 12:01 AM
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I just read this article on MSN. I think being spoiled is relative. I had a friend who was given her mother's BMW when she was 16. That might be considered spoiled except that her friends were given new Mercedes and Porsches when they were 16. I just had a bus pass when I was 16. *shrug*


I think that snow shoveling might have been a bad example. I remember when I was in college, I saw our next door neighbor, who was a senior citizen, struggling to carry her groceries from her car to her house. I also saw three of my housemates not lifting a finger to help. I walked over and carried her bags inside. She thanked me and gave me cookies. My housemates were surprised that I had helped and said, "You are so nice to help her." I was surprised that it hadn't even entered their minds to help her. And yes, they were spoiled.
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Old 12-10-2003, 12:10 AM
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I don't think that spoiled is something that can be measured by the amount or severity of your chores.

Spoiled, as the article pointed out, is about how you react to dissapointment and being told no.

For example- I have two sets of cousins. In one family they really don't use corporal punishment, and aren't that strict. They talk to their kids a LOT, show a lot of positive reinforcement. I LOVE the kids.

In the other family corporal pumoshment is not overused IMO, but it IS a regular threat. They have a lot more obligations in the house and live a MUCH more structured life. I LOVE these kids too.

Limits are clearly set for both sets of kids, and there are consequences for bad behavior.

Results? When away from their parents it is MUCH easier to deal with the kids who have a bit more freedom and less corporal punishment, even though by the standards of the rest of my family they are spoiled. With the second set of kids they don't listen unless you are prepared to hit them or seriously punish them. With the other kids they respond way better to just asking them to cooperate with you. No need to threaten to get good behavior. I dont play favorites, but it's just much more pleasant to be around the first set of kids because I dont have to play the heavy or be annoyed all night.

Just my observations. I like treating children with a certain expectation of good behavior and a certain level of trust and respect. I dont think that means they're spoiled.
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Old 12-10-2003, 12:14 AM
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I didn't care for that comment about the snow shoveling. Should 10 year old me have gone outside and taken 2 hours to shovel the snow my dad could take care of in 20 minutes? Stupid.
Glad that it wasn't just me thinking this kid wasn't spoiled, she just has a dad who is doing the work. Since when do little girls get forced outside to shovel snow when dad is sitting on his butt with a brewski watching the game?

Spoiled? Yes, many kids are, but that is nothing new. I think there are far more impolite kids out there than there should be, but that is because some parents aren't teaching proper manners.
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Old 12-10-2003, 02:10 AM
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I wasn't spoiled....but I think since we've grown older my younger siblings have become more spoiled (cuz mom and dad have more money now than they did).

For instance my transmission just blew out in my car and my parents won't cosign....yet my dad paid cash for a new car for my sister a year ago, and gave my brother the other newer car for when he went away to Alabama...then my youngest brother got the 97 vehicle... it's like WTF!?!?!?! And what's worse is that my sister didn't have a job all summer and is "supposed" to be paying my parent's for half the car.

I have a full time job. I pay my bills. I NEED a new car. Yet the two younger kids get their own?!?!?!

I got screwed in the birthorder!
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Old 12-10-2003, 02:43 AM
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I will admit that I was spoiled. I was, by no means, brought up with a silver spoon firmly positioned in my mouth, but my parents did the best they could to give me everything I ever wanted, even if I didn't always need it.

With that said, I work in a high school and see students everyday who are more spoiled than any people I have met in my life. I know that sounds harsh, but it's true.

Case in point..

A former student of mine got a brand new Porshe Boxster when he turned 16. He wrecked it 3 days after his birthday. His dad bought him a new one the day after that. He wrecked the second Porshe within the week, yet his dad bought him a third one shortly thereafter. He also got a new Porshe for graduation.

I think a lot of the "spoiled" children phenomenon goes back to one of two problems:

1 - absentee parents wanting to buy their child's affection
2 - parents wanting to be their child's friend and not the parent

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Old 12-10-2003, 04:47 AM
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I don't think that spoiled is something that can be measured by the amount or severity of your chores.

Spoiled, as the article pointed out, is about how you react to dissapointment and being told no.

For example- I have two sets of cousins. In one family they really don't use corporal punishment, and aren't that strict. They talk to their kids a LOT, show a lot of positive reinforcement. I LOVE the kids.

In the other family corporal pumoshment is not overused IMO, but it IS a regular threat. They have a lot more obligations in the house and live a MUCH more structured life. I LOVE these kids too.

Limits are clearly set for both sets of kids, and there are consequences for bad behavior.

Results? When away from their parents it is MUCH easier to deal with the kids who have a bit more freedom and less corporal punishment, even though by the standards of the rest of my family they are spoiled. With the second set of kids they don't listen unless you are prepared to hit them or seriously punish them. With the other kids they respond way better to just asking them to cooperate with you. No need to threaten to get good behavior. I dont play favorites, but it's just much more pleasant to be around the first set of kids because I dont have to play the heavy or be annoyed all night.

Just my observations. I like treating children with a certain expectation of good behavior and a certain level of trust and respect. I dont think that means they're spoiled.
That sounds like a kid at the daycare where I worked this summer -- One girl would NOT listen, no matter what we did, threw tantrums, hit other kids, threw things, hit the teachers (like me), etc. We kept talking to her parents about her, and their solution was to give her a spanking when she got home. Well that didn't work too well because of course we couldn't spank her at the daycare. I don't know if you could call her spoiled, but she was definitely something.
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Old 12-10-2003, 04:53 AM
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I think a lot of the "spoiled" children phenomenon goes back to one of two problems:

1 - absentee parents wanting to buy their child's affection
2 - parents wanting to be their child's friend and not the parent

Just my .02 worth
I agree with that totally. I know that i was spoiled to a point but its like since my dad wasnt as much in my life he tried to buy me granted I didnt mind but thats not what I needed. but I see that way too often. all you have to do is be there for them. you dont have to provide them with new and fancy cars thats not what matters in life anyway.


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