new member ed. (hazing)

[decadence]

Hi,

Hope this doesn't annoy anyone but wanted to put a link to a thread I made in Risk Management, as I know not everyone checks that forum.
Risk Management Resources (videos) .
Please visit the thread and reply if able to comment, hopefully some of you will have seen them with your chapter and can comment on them. My interest is, am interested in looking at buying some for our group but budget will allow some not all, esp. all at once.

Thanks!

decadence .

eta: erm, so unbiased 'reviews'/opinions will help me guide which to buy first. if that didn't make sense above.

[Kevin]

Who needs videos, etc. to know what hazing is? The bad effects are all around us. Chances are at least one, if not several groups on everyone's campuses have lost their affiliation due to this stupidity. Why do people continue to think it can't and won't happen to them? That what they do will never get out of control?

All people need to do is:

1. Read their hazing policy, follow it.

For some reason, I guess I'm naive for thinking that's easy.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by ktsnake

For some reason, I guess I'm naive for thinking that's easy.

It is that easy.

[decadence]

Nope not naive at all. But all universities with greek life and orgs have hazing policies. But we still have an active forum devoted to risk management and hazing on GreekChat.
But it's I think idealistic to think all that's needed is to adopt an hazing policy and that's all. Likewise a VHS video won't magically effect change or instil responsibility but I guess the hope in producing the videos was to help in some small way with a problem that affects us all; even when we have no link to the renegade greek chapters and their resident idiots that create this negative press and injure people.

[kddani]

Why do you want to waste your group's (or your own) money buying videos on hazing?

There are more than enough free resources available.... check out stophazing.org

You're just starting a group. There are no "traditions" of bad practices (hazing) to overcome. It's also not the kind of GLO that there should even be anything approaching hazing. Not that there ever should be in any GLO, but in the one you're trying to start especially.

Bottom line: if you think it could be hazing and aren't sure, don't do it.

[decadence]

Originally posted by kddani: Why do you want to waste your group's (or your own) money buying videos on hazing?
There are more than enough free resources available.... check out stophazing.org
You're just starting a group. There are no "traditions" of bad practices (hazing) to overcome. It's also not the kind of GLO that there should even be anything approaching hazing. Not that there ever should be in any GLO, but in the one you're trying to start especially.
Bottom line: if you think it could be hazing and aren't sure, don't do it.

Look I don't want a big argument. All I'm saying is in my opinion hazing is a problem which affects Greek Life. Being vigilant to this problem is important. It affects those directly involved. It affects other chapters of the same org. It affects other chapters on the same campus. It affects startup groups who find it hard because their campus removed greek groups because of hazing etc. It affected me prior to getting affiliated by our student union when I was questioned about given the reputation such groups have what steps would I take to prevent it happening.
I don't need a video to tell me what hazing is. I do see the value of a video as one of many resources to remind folks that hazing is wrong, there are alternatives to building strong bonds. I think such advice bears repeating. There is no hazing in my group. Nor shall there be.
My opinion is that prevention of hazing is the responsibility of all Greeks (and aspirants) even when they're not just doing it to prevent another ocurrence "like happened before".

Rather than a conversation on whether videos in general are an effective resource to bring attention to an important issue, I was more looking for views (in the other thread) on whether these videos are any good or not.

[kddani]

I don't think i'd be overestimating if i said probably no one (or at least most) here has ever seen a video on hazing. I sure didn't. My chapter of KD didn't own any videos like that. Our Greek Life office may have owned them, but they weren't ever watched. The only risk management video I have ever seen was about alcohol, and that was teaching a Freshman Orientation class. Personally I don't believe that watching a movie is effective to teach much of anything. Guest speakers, discussion groups, etc. seem to be much more effective.

If anyone had seen those videos, i'm sure they would've replied.

I'm not starting a big argument, i'm starting a discussion . If you'd like to turn it into an argument, knock yourself out b/c I won't be participating.

I was trying to be helpful, and convey that I don't think that a video is a very effective way of conveying important information. I also gave you a site that may answer more of your questions and give you more resources to go on, which includes reviews of videos, etc. Your question obviously wasn't being answered to your liking here, so I referred you to perhaps a more helpful site.

[decadence]

I merely asked a question "has anyone seen these videos". Coming back with 'oh you wanna watch those? what a waste of time/money' didn't help me. Hazing does go on, including on your campus (as you commented you had read once). I'd seen the website ages ago, but guest speakers would cost money too (a LOT considering we'd probably need to fly them over plus pay their fee); videos would have been a reasonably low cost way of educating about an important issue - it'd just cost the (not high) price of the video and shipping. Personally I found the website boring which might sound churlish but I want to look for the most engaging way to get across all messages as possible. We live in a very visual society, people often have low attention spans. Lecturing without images (esp. moving) has its place but I think a video would work well as long as it isn't used in isolation within an education program (with discussion groups etc).
Like I said I don't want an argument so this is my last post in this thread.

[lionlove]

We watched a hazing video when I was pledging. I don't remember the name of it but it was pretty good. It showed an activity (pledges having to learn the something about the sisters) and showed sisters yelling at the pledges if they didn't get it in one scene and sisters encouraging the pledges in another scene. It basically showed how activities such as interviews can be done without hazing and how they can go wrong and become hazing. It also showed some extreme forms of hazing that should obviously be avoided.

[33girl]

This thread belongs in Risk Management.

[AlphaGam1019]

Originally posted by decadence
My interest is, am interested in looking at buying some for our chapter but budget will allow some not all, esp. all at once.

your chapter? what org?

[Rudey]

OK let me break it down. You're not in a fraternity dude ok? That's what people are tryin to say ok? So like if you read, are in an honor society, draw well, act, whatever...it ain't a fraternity really.

Now nobody wants to come out and say that so I'll take that "honor". Instead they'll sit there being passive aggressives and act like they're the nicest people ever when in fact they're trying to insult you under their breath and cause trouble.

-Rudey
--Get it?

[GeekyPenguin]

I've seen quite a few of those videos.

That's about all I have to say on them.

My chapter had no issues with hazing and they were a waste of our time and the school's money.

I personally think they're a good idea to show the new members with the older members watching with them. That's what our chapter does but it's primarily for the new members.

Since most new members are freshmen and most are naive in general, they are the ones that need to be informed on what hazing is all about. The video is just a reminder for the older girls even though they've seen the video before.

[justamom]

Originally posted by ztawinthropgirl
I personally think they're a good idea to show the new members with the older members watching with them. That's what our chapter does but it's primarily for the new members.

Since most new members are freshmen and most are naive in general, they are the ones that need to be informed on what hazing is all about. The video is just a reminder for the older girls even though they've seen the video before.

Excellent point!

What could it hurt?

With all the discussion GC has had on hazing, anything that helps distinguish-remind-reinforce exactly what hazing is would be money well spent IMHO.

What does a video like that run anyway?