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Old 11-19-2003, 08:30 PM
Honeykiss1974 Honeykiss1974 is offline
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Post Abington Mem. hospital incident (white man request that no blacks attend to his wife)

In October, a white man brought his wife (who was in labor) to Abington Memorial Hospital in PA. He requested for no black employees be allowed to "work on" his wife. The hospital agreed to this demand.

Here is a link to the original story.
http://www.wkbn.com/Global/story.asp?S=1468458

I just wanted to post Leonard Pitt's response to the feedback that he received for an editorial that he wrote that basically called what the hospital did as wrong. I thought it was a great piece of food for thought.

Here it is....

To irate readers: Race has always benefited whites
Leonard Pitts, Jr.

I guess I touched a nerve.

That much seems apparent from the dozens of responses to my recent column about a hospital in Abington, Pa., where a white man asked that no black doctors or nurses be allowed to assist in the delivery of his child. The hospital agreed, a decision I lambasted.

Which has produced the aforementioned dozens of critical e-mails. The tone varies from spittle-spewing bigotry to sweet reason, but they all make the same point: that affirmative action entitles white people to question black people's competence.

As a reader who chose to remain nameless put it, many people wonder if a given black professional ``is there because of his/her skills and abilities, or because of affirmative action. Unfortunately, affirmative action policies leave many unanswered questions about a black person's education and training, as well as skills and abilities. . . . How do we answer these questions?''

I will try my best to answer them with a straight face. It's going to be difficult.

Because there's an elephant in this room, isn't there? It's huge and noisy and rather smelly, yet none of these good people sees it. The elephant is this simple fact:

White men are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action this country has ever seen.

That's not rhetoric or metaphor. It's only truth.

THE NATION'S CUSTOM

If affirmative action is defined as giving someone an extra boost based on race, it's hard to see how anyone can argue the point. Slots for academic admission, for employment and promotion, for bank loans and for public office have routinely been set aside for white men. This has always been the nation's custom. Until the 1960s, it was also the nation's law.

So if we want to talk about achievements being tainted by racial preference, it seems only logical to start there. After all, every worthwhile thing African Americans achieved prior to the mid-'60s -- Berry Gordy's record label, John Johnson's publishing company, Alain Leroy Locke's Rhodes scholarship, Madame C.J. Walker's hair care empire, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams' pioneering heart surgery -- was done, not just without racial preference, but against a backdrop of open racial hostility.

By contrast, nothing white men have ever achieved in this country was done without racial and gender preferences. Affirmative action.

I know that will be hard for some folks to hear. I know it will leave some white brothers indignant. And I expect many recitations of ''up by my bootstraps'' and ''know what it's like to be poor.'' We all want to feel that we made it on our own merits, and it's not my intention to diminish the combination of pluck, luck, hard work and ability that typically distinguishes success, whether white, black or magenta.

On the other hand, there's a word for those who believe race is not a significant factor in white success: delusional.

UNLEVEL PLAYING FIELD

It is not coincidence, happenstance or evidence of their intellectual, physical or moral superiority that white guys dominate virtually every field of endeavor worth dominating. It is, rather, a sign that the proverbial playing field is not level and never has been.

My correspondents feel they should not be asked to respect the skill or abilities of a black professional who may or may not have benefited from affirmative action. They think such a person should expect to be looked down upon. But black people have spent generations watching white men who were no more talented, and many times downright incompetent, vault to the head of the line based on racial preference.

So, here's my question:

Would African Americans be justified in looking down on white professionals? In wondering whether they are really smart enough to do the job? In questioning their competence before they had done a thing?

Yeah, you're right. That would take one hell of a nerve.

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Old 11-20-2003, 10:13 AM
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This is a brilliant column. Pitts, one of my favorite columnists to read, is usually insightful.

As for the expectant hubby, I guess he coulda stood out front of the hospital with ole girl, had her do a few jumping jacks, and bring "junior" into the world his own way.
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Old 11-20-2003, 10:35 AM
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I saw something like this on an episode of The Jeffersons. The man that George saved said to his friends after finding out that a Black man is the one who saved him that he wished he would have been left to die.

I would think that the medical has to help this woman in any way they chose and didn't need to cater to this family's request because of the oath that they take. Since they did it, I am not sure what to think -- if they would have refused I guess that this man would have sued even though he would have had no legal leg to stand on.
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Old 11-20-2003, 02:19 PM
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Time warp?

What does this say about the hospital? That they perpetuate racism? In my opinion it does. What would the man have done if the only physician on call was black or anything else for that matter? Let his wife suffer?
All I can do is shake my head in disgust....
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Old 11-20-2003, 02:50 PM
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What does this say about the hospital? That they perpetuate racism? In my opinion it does. What would the man have done if the only physician on call was black or anything else for that matter? Let his wife suffer?
All I can do is shake my head in disgust....
Ditto.
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Old 11-20-2003, 03:09 PM
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Angry SORRY THIS IS A LONG POST

BEING IN THE MEDICAL PROFESSION AND ALSO WORKING IN LABOR AND DELIVERY, THESE THINGS DO HAPPEN. MOSTLY IF THE PATIENTS LIFE IS NOT IN ANY DANGER DO THE HOSPITAL GRANT THESE TYPES OF DEMANDS. NOT TO SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT A CERTAIN RELIGION, BUT JEHOVAH WITNESSES DO NOT ACCEPT BLOOD PRODUCTS AND THIS IS ONE GUIDELINE HOSPITALS TAKE IN TO CONSIDERATION WITH THIS RELIGION. THE ONLY TIME THE BOUNDARY IS CROSSED IS IF THE INFANT NEED BLOOD THEN IT WILL BE GIVEN REGARDLESS OF RELIGION. AS TO THE MATTER AT HAND, IF THE MOTHERS LIFE OR THE INFANTS LIFE WAS AT A CRITICAL POINT THEN WHOM EVER IS AVAILABLE TO LEND YOUR EXPERT SERVICE WILL BE WELCOMED REGARDLESS OF COLOR. THE HOSPITALS MAIN GOAL IS PATIENT CARE. THEY ARE ALSO TO SAVE LIVES.

I AM NOT SAYING THAT I AGREE WITH WHAT HAPPENED BUT BEING A BLK FEMALE I SEE THIS EVERYDAY. I HAVE HAD PATIENTS SAY THAT THEY DID NOT WANT MY BLACK ASS IN THE ROOM. THIS WAS NOT BECAUSE OF MY SKILLS BUT BECAUSE OF MY COLOR. I MUST APPLAUD THE SURGEON FOR HIS RESPONSE WHICH WAS: SHE IS THE ONLY ONE HERE CAPABLE OF DOING THIS JOB EITHER SHE STAYS OR YOU WILL NOT HAVE THIS SURGERY!

OUR LAWS AND GOVERNMENT IS SO MESSED UP UNTIL EVERYONE IS AFRAID OF BEING SUED FOR VIOLATING PEOPLES RIGHTS. MAYBE THE HOSPITAL FELT IT WAS HIS RIGHT TO REQUEST THIS.

I HAVE NO REAL ANSWER FOR THIS EXCEPT THIS HAPPENS EVERYDAY NOT ONLY IN HOPITALS.

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Old 11-20-2003, 03:14 PM
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I read about this on another board that I used to frequent, "ALLNURSES". Since I am training to be a nurse, I have mixed feelings about exactly HOW the administration should have handled it, though I do agree that the 'gentlemen' in question was racist. Although you cannot force your care onto a patient, (in a non-urgent situation), a patient is only ENTITLED to a competent medical staff. I have so much to say on the issue, but I wanted to provide the link to this thread about it over there so you can read opinions from others.

Happy Reading!
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Old 11-21-2003, 11:36 PM
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Such an irony...

I need to really read the newspaper article...

Being involved in healthcare research and having to frequent the hospital often, it is amazing that anyone who is in emergency would even care what color the healthcare staff is!!!

My father, a dentist, who owns his own practice for over 35 years, often gets African American patients that exclaim to him while he is treating them, "I'd rather see a white doctor!" as they storm out of the office...

Then when these same patients go to see these "Beverly Hills" type dentists whose specialities are X-treme makeover with total mandibular reconstruction and implants, and these same patients ask for a million dollar smile--then show them their welfare insurance, these dentists call and yell at my dad as to why he referred these patients to them...

If anything, I know my father's office is one of the most multi-racial and multi-ethnic practices in the SoCal area. He employs 4-5 dentists that speak English, Spanish, Vietnamese, Chinese and Tagalog (sp?)--from the Phillipines... In fact he still employed a dentist from Iran even after 9-11--so Farsi was spoken!!! After that he is considering many East African dentists... So either Eritrea, Ethiopia or Somolia will represent at his office--that's just what his patient load is...

Then refers many of the poorest patients that are willing to make the choice to go to Mexican clinics in Tijuana because it is cheaper there. Many poor children need orthodontic treatments and MediCal does not pay for those kinds of treatments... There are extremely talented orthodontists in Mexico...

So, for some "ignant" fool who likes to discriminate thinking that people of color who work in the medical profession are incompetent--better hope no terminal illness ever hits you--sometimes the ethnobotany treatments practiced for 1000s of years before Western Medicine might be insufficient...
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Old 11-22-2003, 12:44 AM
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Re: Such an irony...

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I need to really read the newspaper article...

Being involved in healthcare research and having to frequent the hospital often, it is amazing that anyone who is in emergency would even care what color the healthcare staff is!!!...

I was thinkin' the sameeeeee thing! But this just goes to show all of us how far we have come


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Old 11-24-2003, 02:29 AM
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This person may not realize that he is benefitting from medical research conducted by people of various races. Since I'm not in the medical field, I only know of a few medical breakthroughs that blacks were responsible for, but I'm certain there are many more.
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Old 11-24-2003, 12:22 PM
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At my hospital we run into this type of thing ALL the time.

In a worl-class institution, you just get used to the fact that there are people there from all over the world, all ethnic groups, nationalities, etc.

But the difficulty comes in when we have patients and visitors who don't have that kind of exposure in their lives, and some freak out. Not only is there mistrust of AfAm people, caucasian people, etc, you get people questioning a staff member's green card status ( ) or language capability.

Then other visitors/patients from foreign countries may bring their own prejudices with them: for example I had a patient refuse to speak to me because I'm female (this family was from the middle east). Then they had a problem with my faculty because he's a blue-eyed blonde. (I haven't figured that one out yet.) Just last week we had someone else come in demanding that they only be treated by Jewish doctors and married nurses. (Don't ask me to explain that one either.)

I wish our Diversity Office would focus a bit more attention on this issue. Just how much ignorant BS is a doctor/nurse/other staff member supposed to tolerate before they say "Enough, cut it out"? So far, all we've gotten is, "It is our job to treat patients and be respectful of their beliefs." Hey, dude, their beliefs are interfering w/ said treatment.......

I'm glad I'm taking a few days off.

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Old 11-25-2003, 08:03 PM
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At my hospital we run into this type of thing ALL the time.

In a worl-class institution, you just get used to the fact that there are people there from all over the world, all ethnic groups, nationalities, etc.

....

I wish our Diversity Office would focus a bit more attention on this issue. Just how much ignorant BS is a doctor/nurse/other staff member supposed to tolerate before they say "Enough, cut it out"? So far, all we've gotten is, "It is our job to treat patients and be respectful of their beliefs." Hey, dude, their beliefs are interfering w/ said treatment.......

I'm glad I'm taking a few days off.

Adrienne
You know I hate to say it, but if I did not get seen by this Indian woman doctor when I had gotten "tinea versicolor" on my skin and she immediately stated she had seen this many a times, I doubt I would have gotten adequate care in a HMO situation...

But in an emergency, I do not think I'd have the faculties to even wonder what happened to me...
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