No cut policy?

LeslieAGD · #1 01-30-2002, 10:05 AM

I noticed in one of Carnation's post, she mentioned a "no cut" policy so girls won't be cut from all the houses at once. Does anyone else do this? How does it work? Don't you feel that that leads girls on?

xo_sue · #2 01-30-2002, 12:13 PM

I don't understand. So everyone goes to the first round of parties and no one gets cut? That would seem more like an information session than a recruitment event.

Carnation- how does that work?

GammaPhiBabe · #3 01-30-2002, 12:18 PM

I know that some houses at my school only cut for grades on the first night. This is so they can get to know the girls better. Of course, there are some exceptions.... if there is a girl coming through that has a bad reputation or if *several* people feel strongly that she does not belong in the house, she may get cut the first night.

FuzzieAlum · #4 01-30-2002, 12:35 PM

My school didn't have a no-cut policy, but if at any point during rush a girl got cut from all five houses, the Greek life advisor would call up some of the houses (the ones that were inviting back fewer girls than they were entitled to) and try to badger them into taking her. Of course, that just mean the smaller/weaker sororities ended up with this crazy weird girl at the next round of parties, and the other rushees thought, "Ew, they invited HER back? No one else did. Cross XYZ off my list."

AOPiLaLa · #5 01-30-2002, 01:32 PM

I don't know exactly how this works, but I think when a GLO has just come on as a colony, they don't have to cut people for their first 3 years. I know at Elon,according to our panhellinic rules, we had a certain number of girls we HAD TO CUT each night. So, not really sure on everyone being a "no cut" group.

Aphigal · #6 01-30-2002, 02:29 PM

I know Tufts University has a "generally assured bidding" policy where if I women does all the things she is supposed to do in rush (like goes to all the parties and stuff) but is cut by all 3 houses then she automatically gets invited back to all 3.

For pref if she got cut again she would get invited back to all 3 and choose the 2 she wants for pref.

If she still doesn't match the advisors sit around at bid matching and discuss (ok argue) about where she will be placed. A lot of time the sorority that released her last (ie if two house cut her after open house but one kept her) gets her.

It is a univeristy imposed rule and there is no way to change it

carnation · #7 01-30-2002, 02:34 PM

Okay, here's what they did at Auburn. At the time, there were 14 sororities and 14 rushee groups.Each sorority was assigned a rushee group and just for the second round, they couldn't cut anyone in that group. There were 4 more rounds after that and they were free to cut her at any time.

On the one hand, it saved the feelings of some girls, I guess, but if you were the sorority that had to keep a very weird or crazy girl an extra day (see my post on Weird Rush Stories), it was horrible because as you said, the rushees were looking at you like they wanted to cross you off for asking the weird one back.

Supposedly, the rushees didn't know about the policy.

bruinaphi · #8 01-30-2002, 04:09 PM

On one of my campuses we have a policy that if you do not receive three parties on six party round you are randomly assigned to three parties. The rushees are not aware of this policy but it has caused the number of women who are cut completely from rush to drop from 30 to 1 over the past two years. This same university would like to institute a no cute policy but the chapters are against it. Instead we also have a policy that if you play by the rules you cannot be cross-cut at pref. We always match over quota to accomodate these women.

LexiKD · #9 01-30-2002, 04:42 PM

We did not do it that way at all. If you were cut, you were cut end of story. I guess I see the point, but what if the chapters she prefed put her last, then someone has to take her? That doesn't seem fair to the chapter.

amycat412 · #10 01-30-2002, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by LexiKD
We did not do it that way at all. If you were cut, you were cut end of story. I guess I see the point, but what if the chapters she prefed put her last, then someone has to take her? That doesn't seem fair to the chapter.

Its not entirely unfair to the chapter. If she was on their pref list, they saw something in her.

Its unfair if she's been assigned to them throughout rush when they kept cutting her.

LexiKD · #11 01-30-2002, 04:47 PM

That's what I meant, if they were assigned this woman and then were forced pref her they shouldn't be forced to take her. That's what I think is unfair.

NeonPi · #12 01-30-2002, 06:48 PM

Don't even GET CutiePie2000 on this topic - she had a terrible experience with being forced to go to/sign bid cards on groups she did not want to be in - this is just not fair to PNM nor groups.

As for women being cut and being sent back, this is not fair to chapters where this PNM may not have met their GLO International/National membership criteria. This in itself does violate NPC Agreements (and if you want to get picky, Title IX rights). As well, we are not doing any favors to these women (a la "you go where you were meant to be " thread) - they might be better to get to know them through COB ....

CutiePie2000 · #13 01-30-2002, 07:23 PM

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Originally posted by NeonPi
Don't even GET CutiePie2000 on this topic - she had a terrible experience with being forced to go to/sign bid cards on groups she did not want to be in - this is just not fair to PNM nor groups.

Indeed, this did happen to me. Thankfully 11 years later, it all worked itself out.

FuzzieAlum · #14 01-30-2002, 07:25 PM

How about when someone isn't even on your bid list, and they don't get a bid anywhere, and the Greek Life advisor calls you and begs you to take her, since you were the last chapter to cut her - and so she gets a bid even though the chapter voted NO? This happened to us! Granted, our VP Membership was brand-new, and the girl actually ended up being an OK member, but STILL.

33girl · #15 01-30-2002, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by FuzzieAlum
How about when someone isn't even on your bid list, and they don't get a bid anywhere, and the Greek Life advisor calls you and begs you to take her, since you were the last chapter to cut her - and so she gets a bid even though the chapter voted NO? This happened to us! Granted, our VP Membership was brand-new, and the girl actually ended up being an OK member, but STILL.

That's forced pledging, and most national sororities have a rule against it. Aphigal, I'm surprised the sororities at Tufts have put up with that policy (the nationals that is).

I feel torn on this subject - on one hand I think it is cruel to send a girl to a party where the sisters didn't vote for her to be there, but on another hand there are some times when if girls get a second chance, the sisters end up really liking them. I can see it for the first night back if you have 3 or 4 invite nights, but after that, NO WAY.