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04-24-2003, 12:13 PM
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The Dixie Chicks naked
The Dixie Chick posed nude for the cover of entertainment weekly. Does anyone thing it was a smart move to try to get past the controversy they cause, or will it just cause more controversy?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...xiechicks_dc_8
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04-24-2003, 12:41 PM
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I don't think it'll do much to help their situation. They've already publicly apologized, but with their U.S. tour beginning soon and plummeting record sales, I don't blame them for trying to straighten things out. I'm curious as to what they will say in tonight's one hour interview. An hour is a long time.
On another note, we have three mainstream country radio stations here and all three have banned their music since this happened. They are still not playing their music. I wouldn't be surprised if tomorrow morning (after tonight's interview) the early morning DJ's take calls asking whether to unban or continue with the ban.
My personal opinion: I think this all has been blown waaaay out of proportion.
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04-24-2003, 12:46 PM
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My personal opinion: I think this all has been blown waaaay out of proportion.
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I agree.
It amazes me how some celebrities can get away with murder and people still go to their movies, concerts, etc. and then there are other celebrities who voice their opinion, which causes no harm to anyone, and they get completely bashed.
By the way, I think the Dixie Chicks ROCK!!
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04-24-2003, 12:53 PM
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Yeah, it's really disturbing that someone's music can be banned just because they decided to be honest about their feelings. It's almost reminiscent of the book burnings in Nazi Germany. Our country is really stupid sometimes man.
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04-24-2003, 01:02 PM
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Totally agree its been blown out of proportion-but you guys have no idea!!! I live in the town Natalie Maines grew up in. I have no doubt that Lubbockites would eat their own young, if the response to her comment is any indication! (Before this incident, I thought they were protective, caring people...).
One minute she is the toast of the town, second only to other favorite son, Buddy Holly. The next minute, she is being villified, her grandmother, uncles, aunts and other relatives are being threatened and personally attacked. It makes me ill. I hear people in this town say things like "George W is the reason none of our graduates will have jobs come May 17th", and completely ripping on him for the economy...but they think Natalie was wrong to voice her opinion.
That's fine. Just like her, they have a right to voice their dismay by not buying DC albums-but I will continue to listen to them...I have a feeling they will just change their genre--their C&W audience is just too conservative to handle women who are not sheep. If they were solely pop stars, this never would have gotten to the frenzied pitch that it has.
Edited to add: For the record, I think Natalie showed poor judgment in her remarks. She wasn't thinking. She is a public figure, and should have been more responsible. However, I choose not to judge her because I believe the comment was an off the cuff remark not meant to be malicious...and I have made many comments in my life that I immediately regretted, but could not possibly take back. It happens. She is obviously feeling the consequences of her actions...I don't think Americans have good cause to become uncivilized zealots about it, though.
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04-24-2003, 01:04 PM
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Yeah, it's really disturbing that someone's music can be banned just because they decided to be honest about their feelings. It's almost reminiscent of the book burnings in Nazi Germany. Our country is really stupid sometimes man.
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Regardless of whether the DC's comments and reactions to them are "out of proportion" I would be really careful before throwing around Nazi Germany comparisons.
The First Amendment prohibits GOVERNMENT censorship of speech. As in, government agencies could not arrest these ladies, give them extra parking tickets, levy additional taxes, etc. The FCC could not order their music off the air. In Nazi Germany, the government was promoting book burning; it was not individuals doing it on a whim.
That said, the phenomenon of their music being removed from play lists is NOT the result of government interference. This is the result of private individuals and privately held corporations making business decisions. I hate to tell you this but when PRIVATE people decide they don't like what a performer says/does and decides not to listen to their music, decides to boycott stations playing their music, this too is protected by the First Amendment.
Let's not selectively apply the "Nazi" label because people react to what a public person says. In addition to being just as "out of proportion" as you think the reaction to the DC is, it cheapens the memory of the people who really did suffer under the Nazis.
Regarding the DC's opinion that the reaction is "out of proportion": You guys are on stage. You guys are in the public eye. The people who you want to buy your records and tickets are going to judge you by every little thing. That's showbiz, babes. If you can't handle that, then get off the stage.
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04-24-2003, 01:15 PM
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I have a feeling they will just change their genre--their C&W audience is just too conservative to handle women who are not sheep.
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Interesting question- Do you think that if they were male, their audience would be more likely to let them get away with it? My impression has always been that either way they would have been crucified for those comments. I thought of the country western people as also being a group very much (almost blindly, IMHO) in support of Bush and that was mainly the reason for the backlash.
I just don't want to see them disappear. Their music is the only country I can stand!
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04-24-2003, 01:29 PM
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Re: The Dixie Chicks naked
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04-24-2003, 01:39 PM
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Personally I think they should be sacrificed because their music sucks....but.....
I think the EW cover is a completely neutral idea. Natalie made a stupid comment (which she has the right to do) and is completely distraught that her career could be over. Tough. Seriously. You're on a stage, in another country, with thousands of American fans...not to mention the fact that country music is native to the U.S.- I mean common sense tells you that your audience (if you're a country music star) would probably be more patriotic then the average.
But anyway, they did this, their career is in the shitter, temporarily.....doing the cover of EW will make no difference. It will blow over in like 6 mos. or something.
As far as them being naked, I get the idea behind it but I still don't think it will make a difference. People have selective judgement anyway, and conservatives or patriots that Natalie pissed off are probably just going to become more angry.
That's my .02....
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04-24-2003, 01:45 PM
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And if you think those are their real bodies... I have some land in Florida you might be interested in
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04-24-2003, 01:59 PM
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However, I choose not to judge her because I believe the comment was an off the cuff remark not meant to be malicious...
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which may be true, but (and not to bring this up again) trent lott also, in my opinion, made an off the cuff remark and we all know where that got him.....everything we say will probably insult, offend, or piss off someone, so that's why i think celebs have a bigger responsibility to just keep that in mind b/4 they go off the deep end.
as far as this cover goes......kinda pointless to me. just makes more attention for them, and posing naked rarely gives someone the forgiveness, or at least apathy, of the conservative american. if so....i think ol' trenty would have tried it, too.
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04-24-2003, 02:04 PM
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Do you think that if they were male, their audience would be more likely to let them get away with it
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Garth Brooks has made some pretty outlandish political statments in his time and audiences loved him until the day he retired.
As for the banning of Dixie Chicks songs, that's a business decision, plain and simple. After working for a corporate owned country radio station, I can say that they're not trying to make a statement by banning them, they're trying to position themselves to the listeners as "their" station. If the fans are pissed at the Dixie Chicks, then the station is pissed at the Dixie Chicks and you can be damn sure they're going to remind the audience of it, to keep positioning them in the listener's mind as the station that agrees with their views to keep their Arbitron ratings up.
The country music audience is a very patriotic audience. That's why artists like Charlie Daniels can send out his open letter to the Hollywood liberals and feel safeguarded. That's why the country charts are filled with "The Angry American," "Riding with Private Malone," "Hey, Mr. President," "Have You Forgotten," and "Iraq and I Roll" (I swear to God I didn't make that title up.) Some songs are alright, some aren't. ("They tell me not to worry about Bin Laden/Have you forgotten"). But the country audience really likes this stuff.
And the Dixie Chicks knew this and they were cashing in on it. "Traveling Soldier" was at #2 on the country charts when Natalie Maines stuck her foot in her mouth. And now here's the backlash. If I were the Dixie Chicks, which I far from am, the best thing to do is just lie low and let it blow over. Someone else is going to do something stupid sometime soon and the public will forget about this. But newstories about them being threatened, a one hour interview on ABC and the cover of Entertainment Weekly are only keeping the situation fresh in America's mind. Some people thrive off of drama. I get the feeling the Dixie Chicks are three of those people.
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04-24-2003, 02:32 PM
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which may be true, but (and not to bring this up again) trent lott also, in my opinion, made an off the cuff remark and we all know where that got him.....everything we say will probably insult, offend, or piss off someone, so that's why i think celebs have a bigger responsibility to just keep that in mind b/4 they go off the deep end.
as far as this cover goes......kinda pointless to me. just makes more attention for them, and posing naked rarely gives someone the forgiveness, or at least apathy, of the conservative american. if so....i think ol' trenty would have tried it, too.
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 Thank you. I needed an image of nude Trent Lott in my head all day! I agree Lott's comment was also off the cuff, but there's a difference between a policy maker saying something careless and a chick with a fiddle/banjo/whatever (sorry about the chick thing...) popping off during a concert. He was a lifetime politician who clearly knew anything he said, in any situation, could come back to haunt him. She's just an immature (some would say) 25 year old. Not an excuse, just an observation...I think you and I are on the same page, as far as the principle is concerned.
I don't think the cover will help them with their C&W ex-fans. That part of their lives is over. I do think the cover will serve as a springboard for them into mainstream/pop music.
Sherbert-I think the jury's still out on whether they will be around much longer. Until I saw the EW cover, I seriously thought Martie & Emily were going to jump ship (Emily's hubby has been very vocal about his disgust for Natalie's comment & how "Natalie doesn't speak for Emily or Martie), or fire her from the group (she is not the original lead singer for the group...but then again, I think they name would be damaged no matter what).
I think the radio stations have a right to stop playing the music...but I read somewhere that "Landslide" is the number one download in the nation (from mp3.com and others...not sure where the data came from, and I can't find the snippet I read it in...Kidd Kraddick was talking about it the other day on the radio...). So, people are still listening to their music, they just aren't paying for it.
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04-24-2003, 02:43 PM
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Thank you. I needed an image of nude Trent Lott in my head all day! I agree Lott's comment was also off the cuff, but there's a difference between a policy maker saying something careless and a chick with a fiddle/banjo/whatever (sorry about the chick thing...) popping off during a concert. He was a lifetime politician who clearly knew anything he said, in any situation, could come back to haunt him. She's just an immature (some would say) 25 year old. Not an excuse, just an observation...I think you and I are on the same page, as far as the principle is concerned.
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heehee....sorry for the visual! lol...don't act like you haven't wondered what was under that shirt and tie...ow ow! (ok, so now i've grossed myself out  ) but yeah, we're on the same page. silly ppl in the public eye all the time.......and i didn't know emily's husband was all in a rage. wonder what he thinks about this cover........
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