What to do when campus is not open to expansion

newsun · #1 11-13-2002, 11:02 AM

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Kevin · #2 11-13-2002, 11:06 AM

It depends on your ultimate goals and patience.

There are certain things that from this board I've percieved that only NPC groups do... like formal rush. Could be really beneficial.

Just remember that when a new group is added it usually will also increase the number of people going through rush.

On the other hand, NPC has its limitations as I've been able to figure out from reading these forums.. Very restrictive anti-hazing polices, other restrictive policies as well (at least from the perspective of a local that may not have had any policies of these types in place previously).

If they're not open now leadership tends to change every year.. So it's not an impossibility.

aephi alum · #3 11-13-2002, 02:40 PM

My local sorority was in a similar situation. A group of women went to Panhel and said that they'd like to start a chapter of AEPhi. Panhel voted no, but invited the group to form a local sorority. Two years later, we petitioned again, and this time we were permitted to go national.

I'd say it depends on a variety of factors, including rush numbers, whether all/most sororities are at/over total, and who (which specific women as well as which sororities) happens to be in Panhel leadership roles at the time.

If the sorority has been petitioning every year for several years and is consistently turned down by a wide margin, then they have a tough choice - go with the non-NPC org and lose some sisters, or stay local, recognizing that NPC membership isn't likely to happen anytime soon.

MFC2002 · #4 11-13-2002, 02:40 PM

The following information will help us help you with this situation:

How many NPC groups are there?
Why are they voting down expansion?
What is the trend with recruitment numbers (up, down, steady)?
Are there chapters significantly under total?
Are there chapters that have not made quota consistently?
What percentage of the school's population is greek?
What do your panhellenic bylaws require in terms of a panhellenic vote on expansion?
What are the terms of your associate membership in Panhellenic?
Any chance of first getting a chance to participate in formal recruitment and then moving toward expansion?
Has the local contacted any NPC groups directly?
What have those groups said?

MFC

FuzzieAlum · #5 11-13-2002, 03:33 PM

The thing the other chapters on campus have to realize ... it doesn't matter whether they want their system to expand; it already has! The fact that this local has survived for three years (I'm assuming it has a healthy number of members) means that, like it or not, there is a desire for another sorority on campus and that there are girls to join it. The Panhel can keep voting to not let them affiliate as long as they want; it won't make this chapter go away.

It does strike me as odd that members would quit, though, rather than join a non-NPC org. News flash to them: They already DID join a non-NPC org. I can understand they would object if the national, non-NPC org was had very different ideals than their own (ie, they were not mainly ag majors but are considering Sigma Alpha), but I doubt they'd be pursuing an org with ideals very different than their own. That's part of the gamble you take when joining a group that plans to affiliate ... best laid plans still don't guarantee the desired outcome.

Edited to add: GAH! Sorry that posted about a million times. GC was being very cranky today.

LexiKD · #6 11-14-2002, 03:14 PM

Coming from me, a local to national initiate:
It may be the school and its numbers and not about your local group. If the school is expanding then it would be a good idea if all the NPC groups are at or above total and can stay there.
To say that local groups numbers are taking away from NPC groups was not true at my school. If you have a separate intake process and do not recruit with the NPC groups you are using another pool of PNMs.
I would wait and "beef" up in numbers, grades....and go again next year. I would sit and talk to PH about why their advisors and such are against it and then you can see what your group can do to better the situation. It may be the system isn't strong enogh at the moment.
Good Luck!

#7 11-14-2002, 04:42 PM

at my school greeks only comprise 4% of the population. Rush is kinda hard. Even now when recruitment is on an upswing and Sigma Pi got thrown off campus IFC voted down expansion AGAIN this year. The main reason for this is that nobody wants to have more competitors for rushees.

TEPhi is tryin' a get rechartered but they fall under the same boat. People just don't want more houses on campus. However I think we'll recharter a group before we would accept a new one.

Honestly the best luck to you.

TxGirl · #8 11-14-2002, 06:30 PM

The first thing that needs to happen is that the local needs to become a member of the panhellenic. The will be requirements the group will have to fullfill before being allowed to join, but this will give the group a step in the right direction. The local group is going to have to meet these guidelines (and probably more) if they every affiliate with a national group.

Once the local is on the panhellenic and is working with them thins may change. It is possible that the greek system is not strong enough at this time to be able to hld another group. This amy be why the local was turned down in the first place. One way or the other, by joining the council the local will be benefited.

Blue Violet · #9 11-17-2002, 12:38 PM

Start a chapter of Epsilon Sigma Alpha or Beta Sigma Phi or Kappa Beta Gamma! All three groups are trying to expand to college campuses. All three groups rush, pledge etc. basically (not exactly) the same way. You could rush with the NPC groups or separately. All three groups have a long, rich history and are fimly grounded and have HQ and convention and all the same "stuff". A plus-these three groups would not be so quick as to cut juniors ans seniors and married ladies etc. so you really would be most diverse, you would NOT have the same NPC pressure of making totals and quota and such, so you could really rush the best for your group without worrying about taking enough people or whatever. Dues are less expensive so you may actually attract MORE women than expected! Actracting MORe to the greek system as long as they are quality is always a good thing!!!

FuzzieAlum · #10 11-18-2002, 08:54 PM

While I think all three groups Blue Violet mentioned are great, I do want to point out one huge difference between KBG and the other two. Kappa Beta Gamma is only a collegiate sorority. It is just like any NPC group except smaller; it hopes to someday join NPC. ESA and BSPhi, while they do have and want college chapters, are composed mostly of chapters of adult women. This will make a difference in the way the organization is run and in how much experience they have dealing with uniquely college issues. Also, ESA and BSPhi generally don't want to be a part of the local Panhellenic, wheras KBG does. They may rush very differently or be significantly smaller/larger than the NPC groups on campus. KBG will be trying to conform to Panhellenic policies so it is prepared for the day when it must follow them.

Edited to add: In fact, ESA could never be a part of a local Panhellenic, since it practices non-selective membership. Any woman of age can go to their website right now and join with a credit card. I don't mean this as a negative on ESA - I just point this out to show that it is different than NPC groups, and a sorority that hoped to join an NPC org should be aware of the difference.
"Joining ESA is quick and easy with our new online application form. Simply fill out the secure online membership application below, including your credit card information, and then click submit. You will soon receive your ESA member card and new member packet."

Blue Violet · #11 11-20-2002, 08:59 AM

Hi-I wasn't trying to suggest that ESA or Beta or KBG should be used as stepping stones to joining a national NPC. I don't think that would be very ethical. I was saying that if they wanted to join a larger, national organization how about that instead of an NPC. Maybe those groups would fit their needs better. I know on a college campus Beta's and ESA's can paticipate in the college panhellenic. If they want they can join the college panhellenic and rush with them-if panhellenic chooses to let them in-different on every campus. Or the could rush separately. They will not be part of National Panhellenic of course, but maybe that isn't necessarily a goal of theirs...I dunno. I thought they just wanted to be part of something bigger and she mentioned that some of the girls did NOT want to be part of a national NPC group. Which I think is understandable. Just giving options.

xodiva1437 · #12 12-03-2002, 05:28 PM

Listen, many of you mentioned the facts that I am about to reiterate, but I want to say them again, because the same thing is happening at the school that I advise.

Chances are that the Greek system on your campus is NOT strong enough to take on another chapter. Meaning, chapters are probably not at ceiling and many are not making quota. If this is the case, then adding another NPC chapter into the mix is going to be bad for those chapters that already exist and are probably struggling. If quota is low to begin with, then chances are they are not going to want to divide the final number by another house.

Just because the house does not participate in formal recruitment does NOT mean that they are taking from a different pool of PNM's. Many chapters participate in informal recruitment which is the same thing the local chapters do. Also, if the local chapter is recruiting members upon returning to school, chances are they are pulling people from formal recruitment. PNM's can be Potential New Members for ANY house.

If the existing chapters' national organizations do not want another NPC house, it is due to the binding agreements of all NPC groups. In other words, they are not going to do something that is going to jeopardize any other house. The local group wants badly too be associated with Panhel, unfortunately, they are obviously not welcome. By continuing the pursuit of being NPC, these women are not showing respect for the system that they want to be a part of.

Personally, I believe that they probably would just like to leave a legacy behind.

violets · #13 12-03-2002, 10:45 PM

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Chances are that the Greek system on your campus is NOT strong enough to take on another chapter. Meaning, chapters are probably not at ceiling and many are not making quota. If this is the case, then adding another NPC chapter into the mix is going to be bad for those chapters that already exist and are probably struggling. If quota is low to begin with, then chances are they are not going to want to divide the final number by another house.

Just because the house does not participate in formal recruitment does NOT mean that they are taking from a different pool of PNM's. Many chapters participate in informal recruitment which is the same thing the local chapters do. Also, if the local chapter is recruiting members upon returning to school, chances are they are pulling people from formal recruitment. PNM's can be Potential New Members for ANY house.

If the existing chapters' national organizations do not want another NPC house, it is due to the binding agreements of all NPC groups. In other words, they are not going to do something that is going to jeopardize any other house. The local group wants badly too be associated with Panhel, unfortunately, they are obviously not welcome. By continuing the pursuit of being NPC, these women are not showing respect for the system that they want to be a part of.

Personally, I believe that they probably would just like to leave a legacy behind.

xodiva1437,
Thanks for your post. I just want to say I agree with every word. The NPC agreements are meant to promote the health of the entire Panhellenic. I have seen the results of both over expansion and expansion that happened too quickly...they are not pretty. thanks for posting your thoughts.
violets

Kevin · #14 12-04-2002, 01:16 AM

On the other hand sometimes more chapters is exactly what is needed for expansion. 4% of students? Really not a completely low number.. Could be better though. Generally the more publicized and accessible we are the easier we recruit. Adding more groups on our campus has actually really helped the entire system to grow. More people go through rush.. It's just all around better.

xodiva1437 · #15 12-04-2002, 10:08 AM

Generally the more publicized and accessible we are the easier we recruit. Adding more groups on our campus has actually really helped the entire system to grow. More people go through rush.. It's just all around better.
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The more publicity we recieve the more accessible we are, but just because a new group is added on campus it does not mean that more people are going to go through recruitment. The same people will be interested in the system, and quota will be lowered. I understand that on your campus adding a new chapter may have helped, but panhel has agreements to protect itself, because it understands that occurences such as that one do not necessarily happen at all schools. I think that what happened at your school is a wonderful thing, but it is not likely to happen over and over again.