Another Strange Situation

[theta sig agd]

I tried to search for this topic but didnt find anything so if there is I apologize!!

Anyway, we have recently had a member of an NPC org on our campus get mad at her org and what she called "de-sister" herself and left the chapter. That same year she applied at and NPHC womens org for membership. Since she was on the same campus and she admitted she had been initiated somewhere else the group did not consider her for membership.

But me and a member of that NPHC womens org were wondering...Is there some written rule that forbids joining an NPHC org if you are initiated into a NPC org? And if so is there some kind of database that allows you to find out if they were initiated in another conference?

If there isnt a rule in place how do you go about making one with NPC?

[ACEOFDIAMOND]

Interesting question and I'm not sure of it. This might have been discussed already but what about going NPC to local or local to NPC?

[nyrdrms]

The only stipulation that I know of concerning pledging is with NPC organizations. Once you are an initiated member of one, you cannot be initiated by another, whether you resign or not. As far as switching from NPC to NPHC, I have no clue.

[Richard(SNU)]

This is an exercise in hair splitting. I can't speak for any other
group besides Sigma Nu, but I swore during ritual never to join
another fraternity. Would you support someone in violating the oath
they took in another org's initiation ritual?

This is part of the reason we sometimes make a big deal about saying
that non-social GLO's are *not* fraternities. I can join an honor
society or a service organization, or a professional-interest group
that happens to have Greek Letters and an initiation ceremony. But to
say I can quit Sigma Nu and join Omega Psi Phi is NOT THE SAME
THING!!!

This is not a subtle point about which conference the GLO is in. It
is common sense.

BUT... There's still one question I don't know about... If I quit my
NIC fraternity and get a sex change, can I join an NPC sorority?

[CutiePie2000]

http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...threadid=17203

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by CutiePie2000
http://greekchat.com/gcforums/showth...threadid=17203

Oh gosh, I just read that thread and it just went around in circles! And, I think this thread is a tad different from that one.

Anyways, I was just thinking of the same thing this afternoon!!! After joining an NPC sorority two years ago and quiting a year and half ago, I want to join another social sorority and I know it can't be an NPC. However, I am interested in joining a local, MC, or a NPHC organization instead. It's two sororities in particular that interest me.

I think TECHNICALLY I can do it. But, if they find out about my past NPC, MC, and even service GLO affliation that may be frowned upon. And, I may go to hell because I sworn not to join another sorority.

[Dove Gal]

I am a member of an NPC organization. I was approached my another member of NPHC to apply for their pledging process. Then I was told once you initate into one sorority you cannot initate somewhere else. Then I told the member of NPHC that I couldn't and wouldn't initate into another sorority. She then told me since I was under the NPC I could become a member in the NPHC. I just feel that is totally disrespectful if I did do something like that.

[Incognito]

This is an area of interest to me...
I am ethnic and suppose I choose to become a member of XXX org. because I really like the org. and what it stands for, service programs, etc. I have developed strong friendships and sisterhood within my chapter. There are no GLO's in my area that are geared toward my ethnicity, but the GLO I chose to join is a community service org. and does alot to better the community, so I relate really well to my sisters although most are of a different race. Well, down the road a GLO is formed of my ethnicity, let's say I am hispanic (hypothetical), and there are several issues facing hispanics that only hispanics can actively address (you feel what I'm saying?). If I were approached to join this org. because of what I could bring to the table and it didn't compromise my membership/loyalty to my current GLO I would feel it would be my responsibility to participate in supporting the org and bringing action to issues affecting my people, especially because that is what drew me to be in a GLO to begin with. I want to work towards betterment for all mankind, but you feel me when I say you have to be the one looking out to make things better for your people, no question. So what is your take on this spin of it? I know I would love to see my ethnic sisters form a strong sisterhood/org. such as the those of the NHPC because it would really make a difference in my community. That's just from my point of view. It's not a social thing but a responsibility to your people thing. What do you think?

[theta sig agd]

Honestly, I feel the only "people" are all people, not just that of one ethnicity. I feel the only way bridge the gap of misunderstanding is to not segregate ourselves into groups of only one ethnicity. I am in no way bashing those groups. I feel they play a vital role in developing different social backgrounds...I just wouldnt use that as a reason to join a group. Just my opinion of course.

Also, two people of two of the different NPHC groups have PM'd me and they tell me you CANNOT be an initiated member of NPC and NPHC at the same time. Which to me is a good thing!

But another question still stands, How would they know?? If this woman had transfered to another campus would they have caught this? What is in place to ensure that this form of "double-dipping" does not occur?

[Little E]

Not to sound ignorant or anything... but what in NPHC? if you don't mind. (did i miss that in my pledge book?)
Lil E

[theta sig agd]

Little E,

Not to sound belittleing but I am SHOCKED this isnt included in your fraternity education!

You are a member of the National Panhellenic Conferency, NPC, which has 26 groups under its bylaws.

Then there is the National Pan-Hellenic Conference, NPHC, which is nine groups. 4 sororities and 5 fraternities (I think!!! I could be wrong on the number of sororities and fraternities). These NPHC groups are predominatly black, or at least I havent meet one with a white member(in this I also could be wrong??) They are public service organizations but are thought of in the same way our NPC social groups.

I hope this helps your understanding of other types of greeks. I encourage you to visit their websites if you can!

[Little E]

Thanks!
It does sound familiar now, i think I need to drag that book out again
Our campus...Three IFC fraternities i don't think they know what IFC even is. and NPC, wow explain why we can't drink w/letters on. Thanks though! You'd be amazed at our greek system...lol
Tau Love
Lil E

[Incognito]

Theta Sig,
I appreciate what you are trying to say, but from the perspective of organizations that are not only socially based but focus on uplifting and bettering the community, I feel that GLO's are beneficial, by that I mean that from my perspective being a minority there are issues that are unique to my particular ethnicity and culture, and my community, that a "mainstream" mindset would not know about or think to address, having positive role models in the community banded together and taking action to help make a difference is what I am talking about. It is from my heart, and seeing the suffering of my people and feeling the challenges and struggles that are faced everyday by our community that I feel the opportunity to serve in such a capacity is a responsibility and a given. I'm not really addressing those of you that are greek for the mainly social aspect of being in an org, not that there is anything wrong with that (in my seinfeld voice), but I am talking about being in the position to elicit positive change within your community (ethnic or otherwise, love to all people) and doing so. I'm hoping this is coming across as I intend it, in only the very best way. (by the way, most ethnic (Asian, Hispanic, etc.) GLO's are local's or not affiliated with an umbrella group or larger agency for lack of a better term, to my knowledge, and are not part of the NPC or NPHC.)

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by theta sig agd


Also, two people of two of the different NPHC groups have PM'd me and they tell me you CANNOT be an initiated member of NPC and NPHC at the same time. Which to me is a good thing!

No, the issue is, can you join an NON-NPC (particularly NPHC) GLO AFTER quitting an NPC GLO or vice versa?

I've known a few people who've done this. The issue with your "de-sister" is more of a subjective one. For some dumb reason, a lot of social sorority/fraternity members do not want someone who was a part of another social GLO, despite that if it is legal (i.e. depledging and joining another GLO w/in the conference or joining another GLO in a different conference or a local).

And, the issue of disrespect/disloyalty works both ways. Typically, a member does not leave for no reason. IMO if you had a less than a desirable experience w/ one GLO, I see no hurt in someone getting a second chance in another GLO in that conference (that will never happen ) or in another conference.

This issue is equivalent of someone not wanting to marry another person because s/he was previously married.

[Richard(SNU)]

This issue is equivalent of someone not wanting to marry another
person because s/he was previously married.

Yes, and it also illustrates why many people with conservative views
see the legitimization of divorce as having the effect of weakening
the institution of marriage.

I agree with your basic point (there needs to be some sort of "escape
clause" for really bad situations). But I think it's wrong to lay all
the blame on Nationals having rules for "some dumb reason".

Nationals exist to uphold the dignity of the rituals that were created
by the organization's founders. If you reduce everything to "It was
just an oath, it doesn't really mean anything" where does that leave
you?