Greek life activities cancelled at Tufts amid hazing reports

[DZ_Turtle86]

http://college.usatoday.com/2016/12/...azing-reports/

[33girl]

Does Tufts still do that "everyone who wants to be Greek gets a bid" BS? Because this would be a really spectacular way to show that everyone who wants to be Greek is NOT cut out for it.

[sorority_woman]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Does Tufts still do that "everyone who wants to be Greek gets a bid" BS? Because this would be a really spectacular way to show that everyone who wants to be Greek is NOT cut out for it.

Yes, they do. But it only affects sororities. Fraternities don't have to follow this policy.

The rule is that the PNMs are guaranteed a bid as long as they maximize their options. The fraternities schedule their recruitment events at the same times, and therefore don't have to follow the policy because it's not possible for fraternity PNMs to maximize their options in the same way it is for sororities.

[thetalady]

Originally Posted by sorority_woman

Yes, they do. But it only affects sororities. Fraternities don't have to follow this policy.

The rule is that the PNMs are guaranteed a bid as long as they maximize their options. The fraternities schedule their recruitment events at the same times, and therefore don't have to follow the policy because it's not possible for fraternity PNMs to maximize their options in the same way it is for sororities.

NO!!! The "maximizing your options" is NOT a guarantee that everyone who wants to be Greek gets a bid!

PNMs can and are dropped from recruitment on every campus. Just because you sign up for rush is not a guarantee of a bid. Going to all parties that you receive invitations to and IF you make it to pref round IS a guarantee of a bid. It is part of the standard RFM policies that virtually every campus follows.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by thetalady

NO!!! The "maximizing your options" is NOT a guarantee that everyone who wants to be Greek gets a bid!

PNMs can and are dropped from recruitment on every campus. Just because you sign up for rush is not a guarantee of a bid. Going to all parties that you receive invitations to and IF you make it to pref round IS a guarantee of a bid. It is part of the standard RFM policies that virtually every campus follows.

At this campus, that is how sorority recruitment works. It's a mandate from the university president that every woman who signs up for recruitment receives a bid, regardless of whether the chapters want to give her one or not. With the exception of GPA cuts, no woman can entirely be released from recruitment at this school. They are a private institution and this is a condition of having a chapter at this campus.

Without having any inside information whatsoever, I would imagine that this was part of why AGD chose not to colonize there this fall.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

At this campus, that is how sorority recruitment works. It's a mandate from the university president that every woman who signs up for recruitment receives a bid, regardless of whether the chapters want to give her one or not. With the exception of GPA cuts, no woman can entirely be released from recruitment at this school. They are a private institution and this is a condition of having a chapter at this campus.

Without having any inside information whatsoever, I would imagine that this was part of why AGD chose not to colonize there this fall.

To me this also equals no quota at all. If every woman on campus signs up, then the size of the sororities gets insane.

Note, the Sorority Life page at tufts.edu lists 5 sororities including the non-NPC Lambda Pi Chi, but I don't know if Lambda Pi Chi is treated as an equal in this. The page for the Panhellenic council OTOH says there are 5 NPC sororities.

[FSUZeta]

Everyone gets a trophy.

[APhi4Ever]

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

Everyone gets a trophy.

Yup....

[carnation]

Does anyone remember dzrose93's story about a terrible PNM in the Weird Rush Stories thread? I think of people like that when I think of forced bidding.

[Xidelt]

Also, what about risk management issues? I can't begin to imagine the problems of bidding a person who has drugs/alcohol/shadiness all over their social media or this is all they talk about during recruitment.

[sorority_woman]

Update: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/12/0...t-allegations/

4 fraternities suspended, more GLOs being investigated.

Originally Posted by FSUZeta

Everyone gets a trophy.

Yup...back in the day it was part of the deal to get GLOs back on campus. The idea was to get rid of the exclusivity of Greek Life.

Originally Posted by thetalady

I apologize for assuming that Tufts follows the usual NPC recruitment structure. I have never heard of "generally assured bidding". That certainly is a unique situation, one that I am surprised that sororities are willing to accept. I cannot imagine being forced to give a bid to a woman that is not wanted by the chapter. Thank you for the education. I definitely stand corrected!

No worries. I hope I wasn't too aggressive toward you, and I apologize if I was. I didn't mean to be hostile.

Originally Posted by jenidallas

I concur. And I can see where this might actually promote a hazing culture if a group has members they don't actually want and might be looking to either drive them to quit or force them to prove their worth. Those primal instincts seem to take over when these mob mentality incidents take place. It seems like eliminating the forced bidding might be a good start

Yes, I agree completely. Trust me, sororities at Tufts have been implicated in hazing. Evidence is only a google search away:

http://tuftsdaily.com/archives/2005/...academic-year/

http://ocm.auburn.edu/stop_hazing/ar...march%2013.pdf (not sure why this is saved at this website, and I wasn't on campus when this happened, but I did hear about it)

Once I started advising, the thing I noticed about hazing is it seems to be part of the culture of the northeast. It's shameful.

But an example is when Alpha Phi at Tufts was allowed to recruit again, they had a huge rush turnout despite the hazing that happened: http://tuftsdaily.com/news/2009/10/0...-rush-turnout/

Originally Posted by Xidelt

Also, what about risk management issues? I can't begin to imagine the problems of bidding a person who has drugs/alcohol/shadiness all over their social media or this is all they talk about during recruitment.

That person would be appropriately reprimanded by the appropriate committee. In my experience, women who were cut from all houses were more likely cut for being awkward and not fitting in with Greek Life than being shady.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by sorority_woman

Once I started advising, the thing I noticed about hazing is it seems to be part of the culture of the northeast. It's shameful.

I could not agree more with this observation. The only campuses I can think of where hazing is so pervasive it's expected of both fraternities and sororities, the campuses where orgs won't colonize because they know their chapters will end up being involved, are schools in the north. I don't know why this is, especially since interest in Greek life in general is lower up north, but I have some guesses.

[sorority_woman]

Originally Posted by carnation

You know how some chapters have actually been disbanded by their nationals due to the actions of just a few people? (Like one strong group very near here.) That's why I would fight to keep a girl with a QR out.

ETA: I have seen horrible hazing by locals in Georgia (3 schools) and Hawaii.

I don't disagree with you that it could be horrific for the chapter and that a girl like that could do a whole lot of damage.

I can't speak to any group other than mine, but my group had a process if a member warranted it. I also can't speak to the years I wasn't on campus, but I did not see one girl triple-cut (since there were 3 sororities during my time) for QR while I was there. Part of it probably was because we didn't have Facebook.

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

I could not agree more with this observation. The only campuses I can think of where hazing is so pervasive it's expected of both fraternities and sororities, the campuses where orgs won't colonize because they know their chapters will end up being involved, are schools in the north. I don't know why this is, especially since interest in Greek life in general is lower up north, but I have some guesses.

It's horrible, especially at schools with such brilliant students.

If you would care to share your thoughts via PM, I'm all ears.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by sorority_woman

I I did not see one girl triple-cut (since there were 3 sororities during my time) for QR while I was there.

There was a freshman who was septuple-cut after first parties at MS State one year! She had had, um, a memorable summer beforehand when she came to visit friends. Her dad called up Panhellenic and wanted to know why she was cut and I don't remember what we told him.

[lauralaylin]

Originally Posted by sorority_woman

I don't disagree with you that it could be horrific for the chapter and that a girl like that could do a whole lot of damage.

I can't speak to any group other than mine, but my group had a process if a member warranted it. I also can't speak to the years I wasn't on campus, but I did not see one girl triple-cut (since there were 3 sororities during my time) for QR while I was there. Part of it probably was because we didn't have Facebook.



It's horrible, especially at schools with such brilliant students.

If you would care to share your thoughts via PM, I'm all ears.

I advised there for a time over 10 years ago, and I saw a couple PNMs triple cut. They would attend parties at their top two sororities.